sparkafag

Don’t agree with that statement at all to be honest.

I’ve always been a fan of Doyle ever since I first saw him race, nice style incredibly likeable rider and person IMO. I would consider it a massive success and a show of symbolism if he were to win the world title. It would be one in the eye for the narrative that “fast bikes, bigger budgets etc” win world titles. If Doyle is to win it, it would IMO be a sign that riders can win titles via hard work and willing, it would be the Speedway equivalent of Leicester winning the EPL.

What an absolute prat you are.

Despite excessive changes the side assembled still shows that it's tough to trade your way out of a side that's poorly build at the start of the year. It will only take riders like Grazjoneck, Tungate, Lawson, Masters, Stead, Lambert or Worral beating Ostergaard for example and that Peterborough team will be in bother as the pressure on that 4 will require all 4 to rarely drop a point. I'm also intrigued to see how Bjerre does in the PL, while undoubtably a better rider than all at this level it's tough to adjust temperament and at times, in particular in the UK that has been an issue for Bjerre.

Quite high given clubs generally attract both each season?

Certain people can state things as many times as they like it doesn’t add any level of authority to what they are saying… I wouldn’t be shocked if either of Belle Vue or Wolverhampton turned Poole over in a 2 leg tie. You can make a strong case for any of the 3 winning the title – the end of the EL season is shaping up to be pretty excellent.

If you replace your second heat leader with the World Champion you aren’t underdogs/surprise packets anymore – it is the reason the change was made to thrust Wolves into a side who could confidently say “we are in this race now” it has galvanised them. The culture and perception of fans on here saying “no chance for team X/Y or Z” is slightly odd, happens in the PL as well. It doesn’t actually matter if fans on here say, for example - “I support Poole and think they might win the title” people saying that doesn’t impact the results of meetings.

Allow clubs to sign 1 “marquee” rider a year. It would be the one list that was specifically in place to allow rider designation as such to ensure all sides had at least one “star” to get behind, a team can go quite far based on that. Asses that criteria based on previous averages, GP rankings, world form etc, try and assure the riders on that list are kept as logical as possible and promote and brand the riders on that list as “marquee”, make them feel like a big deal. If sides show competence re running their club correctly, sustainable business plan and genuine organic growth allow that specific club the option of 2 “marquee” riders the season after (if they can attract or bring a new "marque rider" back to Britain) and thus they are rewarded for doing things right – and also allows the “marquee” list to expand rather than freezing riders out. This option allows the likes of Doyle, Holder, NKI etc to remain and make further additions if need be (Woffinden etc) and organically creates more “marquee” riders, thus spreading the net of "top riders" wider to other clubs. It doesn’t punish sides like, for example Poole, who have organically worked to have a larger budget than most, and thus can sustainably afford good riders who do add to the spectacle in this country. At the same time it slightly opens up rider movement as such in that sides can’t collect "marquee" riders and thus certain riders of a certain standard might be left having to accept lesser deals else where if they want to be here (which is an issue). If over time club grows stronger than the rest and can begin to sign more “marquee” riders or develop riders who become “marquee” standard, good, that’s a massive part of sport. There is never going to be complete fairness and there will at times be a gulf between sides, that is ok, it is actually something that should have been embraced IMO. The knowing that sides are always going to be quite close has created a lazy attitude within team building and rider development. I also feels the perception of fairness does little to allow club ethos, club mentality etc. If sides yo yo they never get to embrace the idea of their natural place in the food chain in the way sides like Man U or Sunderland can. If you support either you have a pre-set idea of how your season will play out and thus don't become disillusioned with it as quickly as fans do in Speedway, a culture created by the idea of fairness IMO.

Most replies thus far are justification as to why they wouldn’t bother with it… Also often forgot just how small time a forum is, if you join a forum and post on it you always tend to lead yourself to think you are changing the world, in reality there is barely any one posts on this forum - about 10/15/20 at most from each track....

I don’t agree with that, to be honest – I think Swindon are going to give any team they are drawn against a serious issue. I would say this season is the embodiment of why Play Offs should be in place, as I don’t consider myself part of any kind of newer brigade. I don’t think many on this forum will be part of a newer brigade, most will probably have 10 + years of following the sport under their belt (not that time attending really matters).

If the general idea is clubs are in it for themselves and their business (which I think is both obviously true and at times exaggerated) it is worth working with that chain of thought to in turn enhance the overall product The Aviva Premiership for example, is a model worth looking at when it comes to credits and points gained for doing things right, such as development, accounting etc, speedway could use that as a blue print IMO. That systems was in part introduced to Rugby to work with “self-serving attitudes” and to leak in a one size thought re rules and how things should work The major issue with the development of such a system would probably link to the utter shambles that is the current asset system – I think it is slightly overlooked just how much of a problem that particular minefield is. A correctly implemented and managed asset system affords sport so many things that fans can buy into such as rider development, local talent, feelings of riders who belong to the club, seeing riders moved on and or sold, or simply creating stalwarts/long term assets and relationships with riders. The whole “retained list” and questionable ability of clubs to harbour talent at certain tracks played a huge part in destroying what is fundamentally an excellent idea. Whether or not the system could ever be repaired is open to question as it might already be too late – which is a shame as there are so many things that could be enhanced with a functioning system. Examples being sides being able to have unlimited points to play with for 3 team spots as long as the riders in those spots adhered to certain criteria such as “home grown/certain age” etc. Things like this would increase the churn of British riders, encourage clubs to stick with and develop riders, sell them on, see clubs financially rewarded for doing the right things. A system like this might also create “super clubs” who develop better than others, but at least that is then fair as they have nurtured and grew their club which Speedway has sadly removed over the years.

Fred Flange, the man who attempts to come across like a suave sophisticated lawyer grilling people but instead is the BSF version of Lionel Hutz.

Someone hired to run the club as a business, develop the business, build the team and promote with the proviso of 100k worth of sponsorship and a MINIMUM 2,900 paying adults a week. Sounds closer to a CEO of which the average wage is £98k a year before throwing in commission and expenses…..even as someone who isn’t running a club that sounds an absurdly excessive wage for what isn’t a guaranteed return.

The comment is there, people aren’t making it up….

The above is the kind of comment would make A comment made all the more pathetic given you position yourself to be so family and friend orientated and get uberly uppity when the subject is brought up...so yeah good one of course it would p*ss a father off if you prat on about his son the way you do most other subjects. But anyway.…(yet again) The Poole and Ellis move has really worked for both parties (and British Speedway). For all the supposed faults and flaws of FTR/Draft systems there are several examples where it has worked and Ellis epitomises that, he has really gotten his career back on track/on a clearer development path (as an outsider looking in anyway). It is questionable he would have got that without this system, would like have been a Freddie Eriksen, Joonas Davidson type.

So just people you like who aren't on fire.

The words and thoughts of a true intellect right there.... You not got people you need to be pissing on...

This has to be a parody account Sidney, there is no way you are as thick as this.

Yeah you've got me there....nah you haven't, silly silly silly Sidney

Yeah I was in hysterical tears….genuinely devastated. Not that I would take advice from you given you use the word “av”.….but I will keep posting as I see fit cheers. I will afford you a bit of info though, probably best not to “piss on” anyone, even people you like (given it seems you are fine with pissing on people who aren't tossers ) going by the comedy capers you get up to on here you would likely end up pissing on yourself while Moose Loose Aboot This Hoose played in the background.... Silly Sidney.

In a season where Poole might yet top the league, Adam Ellis is the only bright spot and the rest haven’t performed – that’s what I am reading….emmmm ok.....

And as with most debates you involve yourself in Sidney, it ends with the dummy being thrown as far away as possible.

Who I think should be in the team next year will depend on form and circumstance, with the omission of Woffinden it is possible I might think Nicholls is a decent option, who knows... Not the brightest Sidney….

Amazing. If a rider hasn’t won a world title by the age of 22 they aren’t a whizz kid or a special talent, you keep on digging that hole.

Nope, crassly plastering that “news” over the forum in thread after thread like a badge of honour.