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How are you working this out? I've tried anything from 2-10 meeting, with and without bonus points and I cannot get them to match your order.

Its happened many times over the years. Technically, you're not being fined for being under-strength, you're being fined for having a rider missing.

Kildemand -1 vs Gustafsson tonight @ evens. Gustafsson has done nothing all season so even allowing for a R/R giving him 5 rides Kildemand should be fine.

A rugby team can score more tries and lose. Ok a football team can't score more goals and lose but you can score the same and lose on aggregate because of away goals - you can evern outplay the other team, you can win more passes, tackle more players, have more possession but just not score the goals. Sport isn't as simple as scoring the most points, there often more to it than that. On that note, I wonder if speedway could be split into 5 lots of 3 heats, first to 3 wins. Mind you, it could make the last 6 heats pointless. Would remove the need for a TR though and 3 5-1s against you doesn't mean meeting over. Maybe each set of 3 heats could be a league point - the issue then is rain offs.

In snooker there are circa 140 points available in a frame. So you could score 65 and your opponent 75 and he wins the frame. Lets say it's a best of 5. He does that 3 times. Bu in another frame you won it 130-0. You have scored 310 to his 225 but he has won 3 frames and you just the one. you lost. Tennis works on a similar thing, it's not just one game, its a game within a game, so a best of 5. You could win tow of the game massively but lose the other 3 only slightly so you won most points but he won most games. Darts, bit different but same concept. You could outplay your opposition in 2 games and make him look really bad but but the 3 games he wins he just eeks over the line and beats you. You've played between but he's got lucky that he played well when needed.

When you walk in, don't do the terribly British thing and queue to be searched. Just walk straight in. Never once been stopped. They only search people who choose to be searched.

Now we're getting somewhere and you may have a case. So this now only becomes an issue when/if wolves or Newcastle redeclared then. And tell a judge you were doing 71mph and you WILL be convinced of speeding if the limit is 70mph. you're right about the 10% thing though and its why they dont send out fines/NIPs to people doing 71mph.

Well, apart form that little game Tennis. Or snooker. Or darts.

But if you're right and he had mitigating circumstances, he wouldn't have got the fine would he? the fine is standard practice for any rider missing a meeting and riding elsewhere, so it stands to reason the same should be done about his doubling up position.

So there is no reasoning for it. Thanks.

So what is the point of the rule? What do you think, using common sense, the purpose of the rule is? I expect this to be good. Stand in a court of law and tell the judge, "I was only doing 71 your honour" and you'll be done for speeding. FACT. The only reason they don't do you until you have hit 77 is spedometers are only 10% accurate. Was Ludvig only 90% riding in Sweden?

The worst I've ever seen was Eastbourne vs Coventry in 2008. Coventry had 4 guests, R/R and their two reserves. To make it worse, one of the guests in the 1-5 was Chris Schramm!

Thats the reason for the rule. To make sure that rider are available when this kind of thing happens. If you ride in a foreign league you cannot give absolute priority can you? So if you ride abroad you shouldn't be doubling up. It's like the rule that used to say Brits got a 2.5% reduction and claiming, "Ludvig wnats to be British" - if you fit the criteria or you don't and in this case Ludvig doesn't He SHOULD NOT be allowed to double up. Newcastle and Wolves should be given a week to sort out who he is going to ride for. If one or the other doesn't drop him, neither can use him.

The rule doesn't say, "The ride has to give priory, well, except when he can't, but you know, that;ll be fine." The rule says the rider has to give "absolutely priority to British Speedway". Ludvig CANNOT do that, even if eh wnats to. No, m,y quote was that double uppers have to give absolute priority. Hans isn't a double upper. It's a moot point. A straw man argument. It has nothing to do with the point raised.

No I'm not. Do explain. Hans Andersen doesn't doubt up. So what does he have to do with double uppers having to give prioerity to British Speedway? Right, so Lindgren cannot give absolute priority to British Speedway, thus should not double up. Thanks for agreeing with me. Yes there are, doubling u rider have to give "absolute priority to British Speedway" - Ludvig did not/cannot do that, so he should not be allowed to double up.

So whos going to drop Lindgren, Wolves or Newcastle? So now he's not given British Speedway priority, he cannot double up. Seeing as he rode for Wolves last night I can only assume Newcastle are looking for a new rider. Or are we going to ignore a rule again because we don't like it?

Should have guessed you'd be happy to ignore the rules again So why does the rulebook say double uppers have to give priority to British Speedway if they can ride in Sweden ahead of a British League meeting?

So whos going to drop Lindgren, Wolves or Newcastle? So now he's not given British Speedway priority, he cannot double up. Seeing as he rode for Wolves tonight I can only assume Newcastle are looking for a new rider. Or are we going to ignore a rule again because we don't like it?

So basically there is no pre-meeting entertainment this year. Ah well. For a fiver your all welcome back to my flat and we'll get singstar out and make our own entertainment.

TBF, that is generally the idea of park and ride.

Maybe I was still in EL snob mode back then. I'll be honest, I dont remember much about it other than Tai team riding Tommy 2 laps home ahead of Tom P Madsen and people going mad - anyone could team ride someone home ahead of Tommy P, cover the inside line and he was not passing anyone

As Ive said all along, I'm not claiming Harris is a great choice but the people suggesting others should have ti are also wrong IMO. Nicholls proved in a GP qualifier he's nowhere near GP standard any more. I think Kennett proved on Sky last night he's no GP standard either, he was barely PL second string standard. As for that excuse, bollocks. Thats speedway, sometime it's slick and hard to pass, GPs too sometimes. You have to be able to ride all tracks. Scott has enough experience now he should be able to pop out of the start and be a road block for 4 laps now but thats his problem now, his gating was never great but it's terrible these days. FWIW, if I had to name a wild card today, I'd probably pick Craig Cook.

Similar here. Started really badly, back Kerr, Henry and Kerr in heats 2,3 and 4. Got to heat 15 and Id made £30 on the night so put all my profit on Worrall in the last race to end with a profit of £75 on the night. Normally I love Pl racing on Sky as the bookies are really generous, not so much last night apart from Henry being 3/1 in heat 7(?)

Well, apart form the Rye House vs Iow, Reading vs Rye House, Edinburgh vs Rye House (rubbish, theres a connection here, Rye House LOL), Birmingham vs Sheffield (the rain didnt help that and it's probably unfair to include it) and Newcastle vs Glasgow. Yet meetings from Somerset and Scunthorpe have been good but thats because they're good tracks and not because it was PL. There been as a % as many crap Pl meeting as EL meetings but you forget them and remember the good ones just as you will at any level. I can still describe to you lap-by-lap Mark Loram winning in Linkoping Sweden in 1999 as it was a great race but ask me who was in any particular heat of Newcastle vs Glasgow and I wouldnt have a clue as Ive all but forgotten it,.

A few observation form an EL snob. Paul Starke - twit. shame as other than that I thought he rode quite well. Kennett - this is the man some thought was cheated out of the chance to ride at Cardiff last week. This is the man some thing should ride for Team GB. He beat 4 opponents last night in 10 attempts and one of them was Steve Worrall who i think I stood a chance of beating. Bordering on pathetic tbh. Lewis Kerr - I've been watching his scores with great interest, he seems to be the real deal based on what he's been scoring but I've yet to see him him, until last night. im guessing he has some sort of bike problem in his first heat but in his second he did his job, by his 4th ride he'd sussed out the track and was going wider and was riding some great lines. I was immensely impressed, man of the match for me. Looked like a tidy little rider, lets hope he can kick on and get a few EL booking this season. The track - very good, shame they have a football pitch in the middle as chop a bit of the exit of the bends and that place would be amazing. so Berwick, take heart in the fact that although you lost, you provided us with a good meeting and did PL racing proud. Newcastle - Between them and Edinburgh for the title, I think Newcastle edge it. Look to have a good solid team IMO and is they can get Steve Worrall scoring points again then oh dear, they'll take some beating.