Crump99

20 years and ongoing but getting nearer to the end game. Nothing new in the story. There's a bit of sabre rattling before: " chief executive of AEPG, said it was hoped to submit two outline planning applications, plus a masterplan for the site, to Peterborough City Council in the spring. It's quite comical that in September they said that their masterplan would be in line with the PCC local plan then they come out with this guff that will be rejected as it was when the last cowboys tried it on. With the main impact still coming: “We are hoping that development work will get under way in during 2023/2024.” although there can still be many hurdles to cross.

I don't think that summing up of their success is an opinion. It's a fact very unlikely to be replicated.

They will abandon anything that doesn't work irrespective of whatever apparent long term plan they come up with or publish.

Have you been in a cave for the last decade? They can and they do.

Was very much a 1992 copy: Jason Crump comes in on a 2 and finishes the season on an 8.4 just below the Panthers legend that is Mick Poole. When such events happen then you're laughing, as were Panthers 2021.

People fell in love with a team that was winning both home and away on a regular basis. I'm not sure that social media would save the day without that vital ingredient.

Well that'll please him to know that he missed the obvious. Better standard than 2006, interesting one! Suggesting that he didn't market or promote will make him spit his tea out although a fair point about more mechanisms these days. The obvious and most important, no secret over decades at Peterborough is a winning team. Add to that less fixtures and a reasonably consistent fixture list (without the traditional EoES feast or famine speedway) and people wanting live entertainment after a year of nothingness then 2021 had a lot going for it. Hopefully that continues and we'll review it same time next year.

Bratley said the same in 2006: "I will never forget that the 2006 Grand Final, arguably the greatest modern day meeting ever, watched live by over 6000 people and by thousands more at home, was followed by a Craven Shield fixture attended by less than 700 people. If that Grand Final won’t pull people in, then what will?!?!" - so if they haven't worked it out in 15 years then don't hold your breath.

Be fair, that's quality from the nutjob

Needed a pick up, superb stuff

It's often funny how riders (or indeed a whole team) can trap away and then next time out look like they are asleep as the tapes rise. Of course, two broken fingers not a great confidence builder.

Palm Toft never been a trapper and now we know it's broken finger tips of his clutch hand then I'll be surprised if he gets out of the start to win heat one.

More than risky. One first bend bunch or other fall and he'll be out for the night.

I see that you're a stevebrum clone, this'll be never ending, much like where the (oops, rain!) does or doesn't stop, G'day

Yup, you made him the adult in the room, that's some trick

That's true and we can play the examples game all day. The nutjob's point was that "but if it is raining in one part of Peterborough, it is likely to be raining in another part of Peterborough" and although it's not necessarily so as you put it, over the years as a local it is on balance he's more often right than not. Saturday for example I sat at Posh. It absolutely tipped it down in town centre for hours. I doubt that the EoES missed any of that which would have left the track pretty well sodden and not requiring anything more than a light shower on Monday. I sat at home working yesterday at 5pm and it was tipping down. Someone later posted "Unfortunately the downpour at 5.00 was the killer blow" which was at the EoES miles away on the other side of Peterborough. So from a generic point of view you were right but in terms of Peterborough rain and the speedway I had to side with KSF on this occasion.

Yes you are right but historically and on balance the nutjob is right. I recall going to the EoES one Sunday and it absolutely hammered it down about a mile from circuit and I thought that's blown it. I arrived at the Showground and it was amazingly bone dry. That's very much the exception to the rule though, and I'll say again, if I've had a load of the wet stuff 8 miles away then so has the Showground. We can all come up with our own examples but I don't recall wasting too much time attending rain offs.

Afraid I agree with the nutjob. I'm 8 miles on the other side of Peterborough and if I've got rain and/or puddles then so has the EoES, whatever "it's been dry here all day" message you get from the track. I can't recall getting it wrong too much over the years.

He's just checking for iainb.

Got more chance of easily filling your tank today.

Panthers have been on borrowed time for 20 years at the EoES. It's just natural progression of expansion within a growing city. It's long passed the point of fighting developers. I haven't read the ET spread I was pointed to yesterday that appeared in last week's copy so will look at that with interest to see what's changed from the original local plan. Especially as speedway isn't mentioned in the paper article I'm told, although, if my memory serves me right, the original PCC LP said that alternative facilities had to be found for existing sporting facilities in operation (ie speedway). I've always said that if we're not running (say in 2023) then there is not a working facility to relocate. Whether it's scare or reality, there are plenty of people who will have a much clearer picture. I mean, Bratters lives onsite and still takes an interest in most things EoES, some things speedway and most things Posh so he'd be a good starting point.

They used to be chasing star names and higher quality though. That no longer applies. The Prem+ (with a little p) model seems to have been accepted and what we do know is that they will follow through seeing how much lower they can go but still make it viable.

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The relevance of the GP and the SON to British Speedway has diminished considerably over recent years. Out of live sight out and out of mind.

46/7 and getting stronger and fitter Guess you're a youngster (no it's not a question). The two certainties in life are death and taxes. Of course if you're a speedway rider that includes being flung off your bike at high speed several times a season. It doesn't matter how fit and strong you are, at that age you no longer bounce or fix quickly as he's already proved in 2021.