Crump99

Is there any reason why it shouldn't have been the usual £1? Probably why nobody replied. Wouldn't have been high on the To Do list.

So wasn't it an additional quid for parking last year? I haven't been for 2 years but they had been taking an additional quid for several years at that point.

We have a thriving, or at least we are told as such, supporters club and network so I'd have thought that falls within their remit in the short term at least. They are as independent as much as any club associated group can be. A splinter group, along the lines that you mention, might develop if more pressure is needed. The main thing for this year IMO would be to always ask where Peterborough Speedway fits within any forthcoming development plans and make sure that question doesn't go away. Bottom line is that we're pretty well stuffed, it's just the timeline that I'm still not clear of.

True it's not unexpected. That story was already run in the ET and it's them chancing their arm again (with the detail as they'd already said "A planning application will be submitted in the Spring 2022" ) on a plan, already previously rejected, outside of the agreed local plan. The ET story said the submitted additional plan would again be rejected, although push it enough and they might get some sort of compromise I guess? Policy LP36: East of England Showground said (not sure if the Draft Peterborough Local Plan of June 17 was agreed and/or modified on 24 July 2019) "The loss of any existing leisure and sports facilities will not be supported unless replacement facilities are provided in accordance with policy LP30", although that's very much open to interpretation and negotiation as it's worded.

That's fair enough. Enjoy 2022. What happens will happen so worrying about it isn't going to change anything.

That's virtually what the local plan says though and that being stuck to has little to do with the developers from what I can see. It's for PCC to enforce what they've agreed and not buckle. LP30 is a bit vague though really so that would be a concern

It will be in time but not even Flappy is that keen so 2022 will do for the time being.

650 homes have already been written in to Policy LP36: East of England Showground so Panthers at their current location where technically no more when that was agreed. The latest article is just the developers wanting more houses etc although it's already been tried and dismissed was the point the councillor was making. The real issues for Peterborough Speedway are: "The loss of any existing leisure and sports facilities will not be supported unless replacement facilities are provided in accordance with policy LP30" which says: Existing Culture, Leisure, Tourism and Community Facilities The loss, via redevelopment, of an existing culture, leisure, tourism or community facility will only be permitted if it is demonstrated that: (and this is the bit where PCC & local councillor support will be crucial) k. The facility is demonstrably no longer fit for purpose and the site is not viable to be redeveloped for a new community facility; or l. The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within reasonable proximity: what is deemed as reasonable proximity will depend on the nature of the facility and its associated catchment area; or m. The proposal includes the provision of a new facility of a similar nature and of a similar or greater size in a suitable on or off-site location. Timescale & actual work being the other issue: “We are hoping that development work will get under way in during 2023/2024.” As the club says in the ET today, it's business as usual for 2022, negotiations are and will be ongoing, we all know about timescales as well. Yes they may stick to it but these things can drag on and on.

Swindon is a special kind of cock up and it was pretty clear where that would end up. We've had 20 years of this and the council and it's officials have generally been supportive over the years and we're still here. Yes it's getting tricky now but I think I’d rather have the support of a councillor who has consistently backed the club and lives less than 400 metres from the fourth bend, rather than not. As Ged Rathbone proved, who can you trust?

20 years and ongoing but getting nearer to the end game. Nothing new in the story. There's a bit of sabre rattling before: " chief executive of AEPG, said it was hoped to submit two outline planning applications, plus a masterplan for the site, to Peterborough City Council in the spring. It's quite comical that in September they said that their masterplan would be in line with the PCC local plan then they come out with this guff that will be rejected as it was when the last cowboys tried it on. With the main impact still coming: “We are hoping that development work will get under way in during 2023/2024.” although there can still be many hurdles to cross.

I don't think that summing up of their success is an opinion. It's a fact very unlikely to be replicated.

They will abandon anything that doesn't work irrespective of whatever apparent long term plan they come up with or publish.

Have you been in a cave for the last decade? They can and they do.

Was very much a 1992 copy: Jason Crump comes in on a 2 and finishes the season on an 8.4 just below the Panthers legend that is Mick Poole. When such events happen then you're laughing, as were Panthers 2021.

People fell in love with a team that was winning both home and away on a regular basis. I'm not sure that social media would save the day without that vital ingredient.

Well that'll please him to know that he missed the obvious. Better standard than 2006, interesting one! Suggesting that he didn't market or promote will make him spit his tea out although a fair point about more mechanisms these days. The obvious and most important, no secret over decades at Peterborough is a winning team. Add to that less fixtures and a reasonably consistent fixture list (without the traditional EoES feast or famine speedway) and people wanting live entertainment after a year of nothingness then 2021 had a lot going for it. Hopefully that continues and we'll review it same time next year.

Bratley said the same in 2006: "I will never forget that the 2006 Grand Final, arguably the greatest modern day meeting ever, watched live by over 6000 people and by thousands more at home, was followed by a Craven Shield fixture attended by less than 700 people. If that Grand Final won’t pull people in, then what will?!?!" - so if they haven't worked it out in 15 years then don't hold your breath.

Be fair, that's quality from the nutjob

Needed a pick up, superb stuff

It's often funny how riders (or indeed a whole team) can trap away and then next time out look like they are asleep as the tapes rise. Of course, two broken fingers not a great confidence builder.

Palm Toft never been a trapper and now we know it's broken finger tips of his clutch hand then I'll be surprised if he gets out of the start to win heat one.

More than risky. One first bend bunch or other fall and he'll be out for the night.

I see that you're a stevebrum clone, this'll be never ending, much like where the (oops, rain!) does or doesn't stop, G'day

Yup, you made him the adult in the room, that's some trick

That's true and we can play the examples game all day. The nutjob's point was that "but if it is raining in one part of Peterborough, it is likely to be raining in another part of Peterborough" and although it's not necessarily so as you put it, over the years as a local it is on balance he's more often right than not. Saturday for example I sat at Posh. It absolutely tipped it down in town centre for hours. I doubt that the EoES missed any of that which would have left the track pretty well sodden and not requiring anything more than a light shower on Monday. I sat at home working yesterday at 5pm and it was tipping down. Someone later posted "Unfortunately the downpour at 5.00 was the killer blow" which was at the EoES miles away on the other side of Peterborough. So from a generic point of view you were right but in terms of Peterborough rain and the speedway I had to side with KSF on this occasion.