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Was my response a good enough reason for you Starman, or did you fail to understand that too?

Are you capable of having a debate without personal insults?

I can. Because that's the rules that have been set by the border agency which the BSPA must adhere to. Not every Aussie that comes over here is upto scratch like Brady Kurtz for example. For every Kurtz there is a Joey Ringwood who frankly just doesn't cut it. Why would they want people like him over him taking a Brit's team position? If you want a new Aussie, be prepared to have to take a gamble on them.

That could well of been his biggest downfall.

He does know - and has already acknowledged that Holder is a 7.00

Bunyan used to be good back in the IOW/Stokes days, but is garbage at the OTA nowadays. A 5 point European has every potential to go on and become a World beater as they are relatively unknown - with riders like Wilson and Bunyan you know you are going to get very little. They share the same view point as Garry May, myself and just about every one else that Holder should be a 7.00... I ask the question again, which part are you not understanding? You appear to be the only one that can't grasp it at the moment.

Garry May has acknowledged in the Speedway Star that Jack Holder is a 7.00 average - which part of that do you not understand?

I've just trawled through about 3 or 4 pages of Starman asking questions about the rules and he must of had about 4 or 5 tell him that the rules state all Aussies now come in on a 7.00 average - but he is so inept he can't grasp it. As you say there is not one Somerset debating or kicking up that Holder should be a 7.00 (according to the rulebook) and we must now adapt our team to that ruling that has been made. It's as simple as that. Take note Starman. There has been plenty since the team was announced - none of which agrees with your view point.

Ben Wilson, Andre Compton, Jason Bunyan Lol - this is Somerset we are talking about and I will eat my hat if we sign any of those. It will 99.9% be a foreigner on an assessed 5.00 average from Europe. Haters some of them maybe, but Somerset having to shed 2 points to fit into the points limit is absolutely right here and not some conspiracy theory.

Regardless of his average, I think we'd be crazy to let him go.

Which is why, regardless of a 5.00 or 7.00 average I think we would be mad to let him go.

The BSPA site doesn't show any averages next to the riders names.

Care to reveal which team and/or riders?

My point precisely.

You are correct - however I think that would be nothing more than creating a story out of nothing, as I would assume it was more in reference to agreeing terms with riders.

Halifax Tiger - you've been one had one of the best inputs on this discussion and have been very unbiased. From what we can see so far, I'd say it's the BSPA who made the initial mistake with the false information being given to Somerset, but since the correct info was then past on Somerset should of acted completely differently - especially after last winter. No one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes, and I've always been full of praise for the promotion at Somerset who 99% of the time get it right - it appears though they have made a mistake here. Not on Holder having the wrong average, but for the way it was handled once in the knowledge the BSPA were making him a 7.00.

Somerset have said themselves they knew the day before they revealed their side they knew Holder was on a 7.00 and should of cancelled the whole thing but couldn't because of sponsors and everything else that went with organising that social night - which in hindsight may of been a better option but hindsight is a wonderful thing. So yes, and sadly, the team was announced knowing Holder was a 7.00 as per the news article in the speedway star. A week in advance of their first fixture or somewhere around there I would assume. Swindon didn't sign Batchelor until into March last year.

Stick to arguing with Starman - we will be no worse off than any other team in the league and still have a pretty handy line up whoever we drop.

So can Somerset

It says in the speedway star they were told the day before they announced the side, knowing the original plan had to be scraped hence why no official press release has been made announcing the side. It does say they were told 5.00 and then this got changed 7.00 the day before.

The article says the BSPA told them on Wednesday, the day before the social night where the team was revealed... So the team was revealed knowing straight away that team changes were going to be needed hence why no press release has been forthcoming from us. The BSPA who then back tracked and told him he should actually be a 7.00.

Somerset have - they've said in the speedway star that Holder is a 7.00 which the BSPA have confirmed. Somerset are now waiting on a confirmation average of another rider (to replace one of the currently named riders). What a ridiculous statement that is - an Aussie or any other nationality replacing a Brit is hardly a rarity in this sport and neither is it a disgrace. Somerset have said in the Star that they were told 5.00 and then they got told he was a 7.00.

The article in the speedway star says Somerset were told Holder would be a 5.00 and then got told he would be a 7.00, and shouldn't have ever been announced in hindsight at the social evening - hence why there is no press release I would imagine.

I think that arguement is abit of a non starter personally - you could claim for every Aussie (or European) rider signed they are taking a Brits place in a side and whilst we continue to have a points limit that will always be the case. I do think there's every chance the promotion have already got someone in mind to come in on a 5.00 average that will replace either Holder or Worrall. Far from ideal situation whoever gets the chop.

It seems it's the BSPA at fault here with dishing out incorrect information - which if posts on here to be believed they have now informed Somerset Holder is now a 7.00. I'd be amazed if Charles went and can't see Holder being dropped either after securing his signing in the first place - it could be Worrall on the way to the exit.