Peterborough Panthers 2023

[Crump99]

13 hours ago, Flappy said:

Peterborough Speedway has a future but it has to continue running next season preferably at the showground or elsewhere. 

If it stops it won't return 

It has to be the EoES for the few more years that Buster said was possible in Sept 2022. That will both save the track and stand, stabilise the club and give new owners time to plan for a future elsewhere, if need be that is should PCC capitulate and agree to the pointless 10 year concrete jungle which benefits nobody. I think that it's the EoES or the end irrespective at this moment in time. The whole process is just following the regular pattern with such developments. The difference here compared to most tracks that disappear is that we have the ammunition to make it very difficult and our opposition public as we have some clever people who can hold AEPG and PCC to account. That's what they don't want. Their PR on the radio & press has been pretty poor and the last thing that they want is strong public opposition or close examination of their rationale. I was told by someone who knows (no names no pack drill) that these things go through on the nod, until I pointed out some of the contentious issues and that changed the tone pretty quickly.

Edited September 1, 2023 by Crump99

[Crump99]

And the big sell continues https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/factfile-east-of-england-showground-redevelopment-plans-explained-4275569

Should be helpful with registering your objection on the PCC website planning portal.

 

 

Edited September 1, 2023 by Crump99

[yaxley panther]

11 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

And the big sell continues https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/factfile-east-of-england-showground-redevelopment-plans-explained-4275569

Should be helpful with registering your objection on the PCC website planning portal.

 

 

The plans are ' Fantasy Island ' absolutely no way will they achieve this , it will just be a load of houses and cues of traffic 

[StarBoy]

56 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

And the big sell continues https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/factfile-east-of-england-showground-redevelopment-plans-explained-4275569

Should be helpful with registering your objection on the PCC website planning portal.

 

 

For confirmation and ensuring standardisation with objections, what is the sell we're going for? 

[mikebv]

1 hour ago, yaxley panther said:

The plans are ' Fantasy Island ' absolutely no way will they achieve this , it will just be a load of houses and cues of traffic 

That alone could have them snookered..

[Deano]

There’s loads of other green spaces to build on. They should be asked why there? Why take away a useable facility when they could build that anywhere.

 

create your 500 jobs by not taking away current jobs.

 

keep the current 600,000 cars coming into the current facility and let the new one bring in as many somewhere else.

Edited September 1, 2023 by Deano

[OldNutter]

5 hours ago, Crump99 said:

And the big sell continues https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/factfile-east-of-england-showground-redevelopment-plans-explained-4275569

Should be helpful with registering your objection on the PCC website planning portal.

 

 

There is an odd line in that article where the director of AEPG is quoted saying he is working closely with the Speedway.  He seems to be claiming that the fans are disappointed that the Speedway is moving out of Peterborough.

Question: Is the speedway  "moving" out of the town or has it been effectively evicted by his fantasy vision of the concrete covered showground site.  The answer to that one may have a distinct bearing on his view on the assessment of the Panther's viability.  Or is something happening elsewhere that we do not know about next year?

[Deano]

21 minutes ago, OldNutter said:

There is an odd line in that article where the director of AEPG is quoted saying he is working closely with the Speedway.  He seems to be claiming that the fans are disappointed that the Speedway is moving out of Peterborough.

Question: Is the speedway  "moving" out of the town or has it been effectively evicted by his fantasy vision of the concrete covered showground site.  The answer to that one may have a distinct bearing on his view on the assessment of the Panther's viability.  Or is something happening elsewhere that we do not know about next year?

He’s so disappointed he’ll insist on roads being called Mick Poole Way, Panthers Close etc etc. 

[Crump99]

6 hours ago, yaxley panther said:

The plans are ' Fantasy Island ' absolutely no way will they achieve this , it will just be a load of houses and cues of traffic 

It is very helpful though for those yet to make or struggling with an objection. I'm going put it into a word doc and have a real good look at that, there are some gems in there!

[Crump99]

1 hour ago, OldNutter said:

There is an odd line in that article where the director of AEPG is quoted saying he is working closely with the Speedway.  He seems to be claiming that the fans are disappointed that the Speedway is moving out of Peterborough.

Question: Is the speedway  "moving" out of the town or has it been effectively evicted by his fantasy vision of the concrete covered showground site.  The answer to that one may have a distinct bearing on his view on the assessment of the Panther's viability.  Or is something happening elsewhere that we do not know about next year?

Oh yes, thanks for that. I hadn't gone down that far. There are more than a few odd lines in that whole piece.

As for " Peterborough Panthers speedway team informed in 2022 that the 2023 season would sadly have to be their last in the Showground grandstand, as that area is expected to be under different ownership by the time the 2024 Speedway season begins."

- listen to Chapman's 2022 centre green statement. He clearly wasn't told that?

I can't be bothered with the rest, it's embarrassing. If PCC fall for that guff and think that concreting over one of the city's premier culture, leisure, tourism & community facilities with a vision with more holes than a colander then council isn't fit for purpose.

As for "We are working with PCC to make sure this development positively impacts the local people’s health and wellbeing.” - that's comedy gold

 

[Mick Bratley]

I particularly enjoyed his terminology of ‘competitive socialising’ I mean wtaf of a bullrubbish phrase is that. The bloke, as I have said from day one, is a chancer and fantasist.

[Crump99]

2 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said:

I particularly enjoyed his terminology of ‘competitive socialising’ I mean wtaf of a bullrubbish phrase is that. The bloke, as I have said from day one, is a chancer and fantasist.

Could do a top 10 list it is that good

[Crump99]

7 hours ago, StarBoy said:

For confirmation and ensuring standardisation with objections, what is the sell we're going for? 

Good question. I think a lot of people are struggling with that and it's a right dogs' dinner overall with the speedway being mixed up with the planning application.

The important thing is to object and if you're outside the city I would probably just keep it simple saying that you object to the loss of one of Peterborough's major culture, leisure, tourism and community facilities and want to know why the plans do not detail a like for like replacement for Peterborough Speedway, either on or off site, as required in LP30 of the local plan.

Others locally can probably add more detail but that should do

Try to put it in your own words though.

Edited September 1, 2023 by Crump99

[Crump99]

23 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said:

I particularly enjoyed his terminology of ‘competitive socialising’ I mean wtaf of a bullrubbish phrase is that. The bloke, as I have said from day one, is a chancer and fantasist.

This is a good one “Peterborough has a huge lack of active health, lifestyle and entertainment facilities”, Ashley added. - so we're knocking down and building on a premier city site that could be quickly be turned in to an active health, lifestyle and entertainment complex (incorporating Peterborough Speedway and the “world class arena and centre.” ) for the benefit of the whole city and positive legacy of the East of England Agricultural Society.

[Mick Bratley]

9 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

This is a good one “Peterborough has a huge lack of active health, lifestyle and entertainment facilities”, Ashley added. - so we're knocking down and building on a premier city site that could be quickly be turned in to an active health, lifestyle and entertainment complex (incorporating Peterborough Speedway and the “world class arena and centre.” ) for the benefit of the whole city and positive legacy of the East of England Agricultural Society.

Every sentence he speaks should end with: ‘and make me very rich’ 

[OldNutter]

For even more of an idea where this is going, have a look in the Companies House web site and see how many directors AEPG  have got!  They came into being on 20 Aug 2020 so their background hardly qualifies as "history". The other interesting look while there is the company that has run the showground  since 6 Oct 1970.  This company was comprised over the years mainly by farmers who presumably came from the early days of the Society.  That all changed on 23 Aug 2021 when the directors all left and two new non-farmers took over.  One of those has the same name as the AEPG director plus another whose name we will probably come to know as this fantasy rolls on.(best you find those names by looking rather than me name them here).  Final fun thing to do for a giggle is to look at the AEPG corporate website at:https://www.aepguk.com/ 

I can only describe that website as the perfect replica of the scam sites that we are warned about in all security videos.  Must have cost a small fortune - a very, very small fortune.

[Crump99]

34 minutes ago, OldNutter said:

For even more of an idea where this is going, have a look in the Companies House web site and see how many directors AEPG  have got!

 

I did that yesterday in a search for someone. It's quite an eye opener isn't it?

[scoobydoo]

Can we claim a 50% stake in being the Championship pairs winners with Glasgow as it was Basso & Harris that won the Grand Final tonight

[Deano]

35 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

I did that yesterday in a search for someone. It's quite an eye opener isn't it?

Yes definitely. He questions the viability of Peterborough Speedway too! Pot kettle black.

[IainB]

41 minutes ago, scoobydoo said:

Can we claim a 50% stake in being the Championship pairs winners with Glasgow as it was Basso & Harris that won the Grand Final tonight

Unbelievably Glasgow are claiming victory!