SuperStarsFan91 Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 (edited) I’m sure Jan and Ben will miss Thursdays away meeting at Leicester but then ride abroad at the weekend like nothing has happened… it absolutely stinks!! I was speaking to an ex-King’s Lynn manager not long ago and he said if he was in charge still then he’d sack them both after tonight 🤷🏻♂️ I’d have to agree… but it’s harder to get riders in nowadays to replace Edited June 30 by SuperStarsFan91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 (edited) Doesn't matter if Poland put Jan Kvech on a leash now tbh, King's Lynn's season is over anyway. Hopefully next year it's one big league and no big names as it'll be much better rather than clubs having to be on edge when the Polski's make up excuses 24/7 when the reality is that Poland are the ones who are at fault for almost everything. Edited July 1 by TTT 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 (edited) 6 hours ago, SuperStarsFan91 said: I’m sure Jan and Ben will miss Thursdays away meeting at Leicester but then ride abroad at the weekend like nothing has happened… it absolutely stinks!! I was speaking to an ex-King’s Lynn manager not long ago and he said if he was in charge still then he’d sack them both after tonight 🤷🏻♂️ I’d have to agree… but it’s harder to get riders in nowadays to replace Cook maybe get rid of,he seems to possibly not want to ride,but Kvech most definitely does.Remember he only dislocated his shoulder was it 9 days ago.I dont known if you have had a shoulder injury but it can be bloody troublesome,especially when hitting lumps and bumps.He will be back I'm sure,unless his big paymasters say otherwise,even though his injury did occur in Poland.Most injuries seem to occur there and they take gripe with the UK🤔 Edited July 1 by tellboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 7 hours ago, StarBoy said: Can’t win em’ all. How did you guys get on at Birmingham…? 😬 Injuries..... A lot of it about I believe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarBoy Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 19 minutes ago, tellboy said: Cook maybe get rid of,he seems to possibly not want to ride,but Kvech most definitely does.Remember he only dislocated his shoulder was it 9 days ago.I dont known if you have had a shoulder injury but it can be bloody troublesome,especially when hitting lumps and bumps.He will be back I'm sure,unless his big paymasters say otherwise,even though his injury did occur in Poland.Most injuries seem to occur there and they take gripe with the UK🤔 Unfortunately , his injury occurred here, although it wasn’t a league meeting, it was during the 2nd Manchester GP 1 minute ago, mikebv said: Injuries..... A lot of it about I believe... Certainly something in the air, maybe that old ‘Covinjury-25’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 Riders seem to only ride on licence over here from their Polish clubs... They are "their riders" who they allow to work elsewhere with clear constraints... Let's be honest, bringing some of the "top stars" back hasn't taken the sport, as a whole, forward has it?... But, instead, it has caused a more expensive, more unbalanced, and a very uncompetitive league... When "will they be fhere, won't they be there?", becomes such an ongoing, regular discussion point, it is probably time to do something about it.. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperStarsFan91 Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 25 minutes ago, StarBoy said: Unfortunately , his injury occurred here, although it wasn’t a league meeting, it was during the 2nd Manchester GP Certainly something in the air, maybe that old ‘Covinjury-25’ Didn’t Kvech get injured in the Gorzow GP? Not the 2nd Manchester one 🤷🏻♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 7 hours ago, TTT said: Doesn't matter if Poland put Jan Kvech on a leash now tbh, King's Lynn's season is over anyway. Hopefully next year it's one big league and no big names as it'll be much better rather than clubs having to be on edge when the Polski's make up excuses 24/7 when the reality is that Poland are the ones who are at fault for almost everything. i cant fault them to be honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 I love Poland as a country, It's the best Country in Europe imo but I just find the Speedway dictatorship hypercritical and a bit of a joke tbh. They complain about injuries and threaten to withdraw riders starting permissions for British racing when the fact is all of the worst injuries happen in Poland (Woffinden and Becker recent examples), I don't see stretchers being whelled out on a regular basis in Britain, Denmark or Sweden. The owners don't really care about rider welfare in Poland and they're more than happy to put the riders health and well being at risk by forcing them to ride in Ekstraliga meetings when not fit enough and then having the audacity to demand that signing on fee's be returned in full if they get injured (Rider welfare only matters to them when injuries occur outside of Poland) Polish Managers always complaining about riders riding in Britain when the fact is, It's actually beneficial to the riders to ride in Britain as it's not a coincidence that all of Zmarzlik's closest challengers in the GP series over the last couple of years either all ride in Britain or have bags of experience on British tracks, If it was the opposite and the Polish managers were in the right then why aren't riders like Kubera challenging Zmarzlik instead considering that they make Dominik look like a superstar on Polish tracks every week in the Ekstraliga. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 3 hours ago, StarBoy said: Unfortunately , his injury occurred here, although it wasn’t a league meeting, it was during the 2nd Manchester GP It was in Gorzow,Doyle hit that awful bend and took Jan down.That is where his injury occurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 3 hours ago, StarBoy said: Unfortunately , his injury occurred here, although it wasn’t a league meeting, it was during the 2nd Manchester GP It was in Gorzow,Doyle hit that awful bend and took Jan down.That is where his injury occurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 39 minutes ago, TTT said: I love Poland as a country, It's the best Country in Europe imo but I just find the Speedway dictatorship hypercritical and a bit of a joke tbh. They complain about injuries and threaten to withdraw riders starting permissions for British racing when the fact is all of the worst injuries happen in Poland (Woffinden and Becker recent examples), I don't see stretchers being whelled out on a regular basis in Britain, Denmark or Sweden. The owners don't really care about rider welfare in Poland and they're more than happy to put the riders health and well being at risk by forcing them to ride in Ekstraliga meetings when not fit enough and then having the audacity to demand that signing on fee's be returned in full if they get injured (Rider welfare only matters to them when injuries occur outside of Poland) Polish Managers always complaining about riders riding in Britain when the fact is, It's actually beneficial to the riders to ride in Britain as it's not a coincidence that all of Zmarzlik's closest challengers in the GP series over the last couple of years either all ride in Britain or have bags of experience on British tracks, If it was the opposite and the Polish managers were in the right then why aren't riders like Kubera challenging Zmarzlik instead considering that they make Dominik look like a superstar on Polish tracks every week in the Ekstraliga. I would say a lot of this is untrue and slightly disrespectful to Poland. When was the last time 'factually' someone was threatened to be withdrawn from British speedway and not 'hear say'. I would also argue that Doyle's massive crash at Kings Lynn and Emil's big crash at Sheffield were just as damaging to Polish speedway as is Tai's and Becker's. You don't see stretchers in Britain because you see a few part time volunteer's slowing jogging over to help out whereas Poland brings on the medical team fast and often ambulances even when not technically needed. The owners go to the hospitals and often pay big money (clubs) to give the best treatment and help the riders anyway possible. The riders aren't forced to ride injured and I don't know where people get that from, Emil wasn't forced in the play offs last year for Torun and neither was Doyle this year. Zmarzlik was closely run by Lambert last year who wasn't riding in British speedway and also Lindgren who done only a part season for Birmingham. I understand your frustration but I think you're directing too much blame at Poland. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasta la vista Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 7 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said: I would say a lot of this is untrue and slightly disrespectful to Poland. When was the last time 'factually' someone was threatened to be withdrawn from British speedway and not 'hear say'. I would also argue that Doyle's massive crash at Kings Lynn and Emil's big crash at Sheffield were just as damaging to Polish speedway as is Tai's and Becker's. You don't see stretchers in Britain because you see a few part time volunteer's slowing jogging over to help out whereas Poland brings on the medical team fast and often ambulances even when not technically needed. The owners go to the hospitals and often pay big money (clubs) to give the best treatment and help the riders anyway possible. The riders aren't forced to ride injured and I don't know where people get that from, Emil wasn't forced in the play offs last year for Torun and neither was Doyle this year. Zmarzlik was closely run by Lambert last year who wasn't riding in British speedway and also Lindgren who done only a part season for Birmingham. I understand your frustration but I think you're directing too much blame at Poland. This is much closer to the truth than the original post. So many mythical beliefs in the UK about Polish speedway. Experience of technical tracks definitely improves your skills as a rider but not sure tracks being served up like that one at Brum last night are beneficial to anyone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 12 hours ago, tellboy said: He turned up,the track most definitely played a part,you see him hanging his arm away from the bike.Wont see him or Cook Thursday I don't think.Klindt not messing around when asked about the state of the track. May have to ask an injured Ipswich rider to guest Thursday 🤔 I like interviews with Nicolai - always provides honest and well articulated responses without the predictable safe management speak you get from most sportsmen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, TTT said: I love Poland as a country, It's the best Country in Europe imo but I just find the Speedway dictatorship hypercritical and a bit of a joke tbh. They complain about injuries and threaten to withdraw riders starting permissions for British racing when the fact is all of the worst injuries happen in Poland (Woffinden and Becker recent examples), I don't see stretchers being whelled out on a regular basis in Britain, Denmark or Sweden. The owners don't really care about rider welfare in Poland and they're more than happy to put the riders health and well being at risk by forcing them to ride in Ekstraliga meetings when not fit enough and then having the audacity to demand that signing on fee's be returned in full if they get injured (Rider welfare only matters to them when injuries occur outside of Poland) Polish Managers always complaining about riders riding in Britain when the fact is, It's actually beneficial to the riders to ride in Britain as it's not a coincidence that all of Zmarzlik's closest challengers in the GP series over the last couple of years either all ride in Britain or have bags of experience on British tracks, If it was the opposite and the Polish managers were in the right then why aren't riders like Kubera challenging Zmarzlik instead considering that they make Dominik look like a superstar on Polish tracks every week in the Ekstraliga. The UK lads currently challenging BZ wouldn't be at that level if they rode in the UK only... Their kit wouldn't be of the same level for one, as the Polish money massively helps that... And, no disrespect, but beating Championship HL's and SS's each meeting wouldn't move them upwards into the standard required to compete with the best... Their constant exposure to riding against the best in Poland has elevated their own levels... As for making riders pay back signing on fees if they get injured riding abroad...? That is fair for me, given the size of the contracts these lads get .. If I am paying someone £25k a week and they tell me they want to work elsewhere too, for around a tenth of that, I would reserve the right to put some caveats in play... Without my money, their earnings would be around just 20% of what they do get, therefore my investment needs protection... Polish teams cannot just pluck a similar top level rider out of thin air, from another team, like you can over here, therefore one of these lads missing has a huge financial impact should that team get relegated or miss out on the play offs.. Hence, quite naturally, they want them to reduce all extra risks.. And Poland pay for rehabilitation even if "their riders" get injured riding elsewhere... Rehabilitation that benefits the riders UK team too... I often read that Poland and the GP's are massively responsible for the ongoing demise of UK Speedway.. The biggest issues lie much, much, closer to home... Edited July 1 by mikebv 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 25 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said: I would say a lot of this is untrue and slightly disrespectful to Poland. When was the last time 'factually' someone was threatened to be withdrawn from British speedway and not 'hear say'. I would also argue that Doyle's massive crash at Kings Lynn and Emil's big crash at Sheffield were just as damaging to Polish speedway as is Tai's and Becker's. You don't see stretchers in Britain because you see a few part time volunteer's slowing jogging over to help out whereas Poland brings on the medical team fast and often ambulances even when not technically needed. The owners go to the hospitals and often pay big money (clubs) to give the best treatment and help the riders anyway possible. The riders aren't forced to ride injured and I don't know where people get that from, Emil wasn't forced in the play offs last year for Torun and neither was Doyle this year. Zmarzlik was closely run by Lambert last year who wasn't riding in British speedway and also Lindgren who done only a part season for Birmingham. I understand your frustration but I think you're directing too much blame at Poland. Emil in the play-offs last year, Think Tarasenko was also another one last year. Emil's wasn't because he was back riding for Torun, Doyle's was a rarety I'll admit that but Poland can't moan about injuries that occur in Britain when a vice versa effect happens in Poland which is what I mean about being hypercritical because it's the same playing field for both sides. If the owners truly cared about their riders then they wouldn't ask an injured rider for their money back because that's not what you call support, A support system like the SRBF would never have the same mentality and again highlights the double standards, Can't be painting themselves as saints by paying for riders treatment but then also demanding their money back if a rider can't physically ride for the rest of the season because it's just hypercritocal again, You either support someone in need or you don't. Lambert and Lindgren are riders with bags of experience on British tracks as I mentioned in my original post which is the problem I have with the Polish managers who moan about riders riding in Britain whilst trying to brainwash the riders and the fans into making them think that it's affecting their careers and performances by choosing to ride in Britain when it's the complete opposite, If it did effect them then they wouldn't be Zmarzlik's closest challenegers along with the Aussie riders and Bewley. Look at the riders who don't ride in Britain, Vaculik does nothing most of the time in the GP's outside of Prague, Kubera who looks like a superstar in the Ekstraliga but does nothing in the GP's, Madsen couldn't even hold down a place in the GP's and came up with excuses almost every GP round as to why he was getting found out. Piotr Baron is the latest example of brainwashing by trying to make out that Kvech had a brilliant meeting due to him not riding elsewhere when the reality is that Jan had a good meeting because the entire Zielona Gora 1-5 were muck on the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasta la vista Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 25 minutes ago, TTT said: Emil in the play-offs last year, Think Tarasenko was also another one last year. Emil's wasn't because he was back riding for Torun, Doyle's was a rarety I'll admit that but Poland can't moan about injuries that occur in Britain when a vice versa effect happens in Poland which is what I mean about being hypercritical because it's the same playing field for both sides. If the owners truly cared about their riders then they wouldn't ask an injured rider for their money back because that's not what you call support, A support system like the SRBF would never have the same mentality and again highlights the double standards, Can't be painting themselves as saints by paying for riders treatment but then also demanding their money back if a rider can't physically ride for the rest of the season because it's just hypercritocal again, You either support someone in need or you don't. Lambert and Lindgren are riders with bags of experience on British tracks as I mentioned in my original post which is the problem I have with the Polish managers who moan about riders riding in Britain whilst trying to brainwash the riders and the fans into making them think that it's affecting their careers and performances by choosing to ride in Britain when it's the complete opposite, If it did effect them then they wouldn't be Zmarzlik's closest challenegers along with the Aussie riders and Bewley. Look at the riders who don't ride in Britain, Vaculik does nothing most of the time in the GP's outside of Prague, Kubera who looks like a superstar in the Ekstraliga but does nothing in the GP's, Madsen couldn't even hold down a place in the GP's and came up with excuses almost every GP round as to why he was getting found out. Piotr Baron is the latest example of brainwashing by trying to make out that Kvech had a brilliant meeting due to him not riding elsewhere when the reality is that Jan had a good meeting because the entire Zielona Gora 1-5 were muck on the day. Doyle wasn't asked to return money just because he was injured. That's incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 Last thing on the situation otherwise it'll just drag on lol and I don't want to clog up the thread. I just hope this nonsense ends in the winter and we have one big league with no GP/Ekstraliga riders. Fair enough British owners have made a number of never ending mistakes in the past but we've got to take into consideration that they're also trying to run a business albeit some of them poorly lol. It's difficult to run a business when you're ending up with R/R or below average guests due to Poland most of the time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 1 hour ago, TTT said: Last thing on the situation otherwise it'll just drag on lol and I don't want to clog up the thread. I just hope this nonsense ends in the winter and we have one big league with no GP/Ekstraliga riders. Do you envisage Ekstraliga 2 riders also being excluded from a one "big" league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 1 hour ago, 1 valve said: Do you envisage Ekstraliga 2 riders also being excluded from a one "big" league? No tbh, Think we'd be able to work around that. Couple of riders may miss a couple of weekend meetings if it's one big league with race nights throughout the week / weekend but British clubs wouldn't have to be on edge on a weekly basis like they currently are. Not many riders who ride in the Premiership currently ride in the Ekstraliga 2 league now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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