tellboy Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 1 hour ago, PhilTheAce said: Massive win for you guys. well done. now if your serious about winning a trophy. you got to bring in Rob lambert for cook If only,the final is only 11 days away.Couldn’t see them getting Lambert over quite so early.If they did we could have a sniff of a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaddlebowRoad Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 1 minute ago, tellboy said: If only,the final is only 11 days away.Couldn’t see them getting Lambert over quite so early.If they did we could have a sniff of a chance. perhaps its already in the pipeline ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 6 minutes ago, SaddlebowRoad said: perhaps its already in the pipeline ? I'll put a tenner in😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 Said KL were one to keep an eye on before a wheel was turned. Started slow but they're hitting a good run of form now, Great chance of winning the Final imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperStarsFan91 Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 21 minutes ago, tellboy said: If only,the final is only 11 days away.Couldn’t see them getting Lambert over quite so early.If they did we could have a sniff of a chance. Can’t see it being quite yet, if at all… I can see Lewi guesting again for Ben in the cup final first leg at the AFA (as Sheffield aren’t riding that night) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarBoy Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 If Rob came in how on his 7.81 average he finished 2023 (2019) with, he would fit perfectly for Cook using the full 40.0 limit… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 10 hours ago, StarBoy said: If Rob came in how on his 7.81 average he finished 2023 (2019) with, he would fit perfectly for Cook using the full 40.0 limit… Doesn't that average actually come from as far back as 2019? He actually rode enough meetings in that last stint to achieve an updated figure undef the current regulations (6 meetings and no requirement for 3 home 3 away) If he allowed to return again on such a ridiculous low figure it would be a scandal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 what a scandal in speedway never. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Doesn't that average actually come from as far back as 2019? He actually rode enough meetings in that last stint to achieve an updated figure undef the current regulations (6 meetings and no requirement for 3 home 3 away) If he allowed to return again on such a ridiculous low figure it would be a scandal The weird thing is that Robert was riding on an assessed* average so he needed to complete 3+3, which he didn’t do for either Belle Vue or Kings Lynn so he remains on his old average. The problem is when Sheffield wanted to use him as a guest I informed them (BSPL) that he couldn’t due to being assessed* but they said he’s not (all of a sudden, brown envelopes at the ready) but they never treated his average as such ie rolling. When you weave a tangled web it is very easy to trip yourself up, best to just stick to the rules. Second year running that Bates tried to circumvent the rule book at play off time and for the latter he was successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 I understand the reasoning was that the guest regulation states the rider must have previously achieved an official CMA and that because that was the case despite Lamberts average being considered assessed he was allowed to guest!! Until there is no possibility of a different answer depending on who is asking and when the sham will continue.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 15 hours ago, SaddlebowRoad said: perhaps its already in the pipeline ? Going by the report it will be Kerr for Cook in the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 Should Kerr be allowed to guest as he rode for his own club in the other semi-final. I did question whether he should have rode in the semi against Ipswich. In the play-offs he wouldn't be allowed so what difference should the cup make. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 NKI’s injury comeback in Poland yesterday did’t go as planned. Riding for Gdansk in Krakow he won his 1st 2 rides but the injury had not healed, pain returned and he didn’t ride again and needs more time to recover. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 47 minutes ago, Bash said: Should Kerr be allowed to guest as he rode for his own club in the other semi-final. I did question whether he should have rode in the semi against Ipswich. In the play-offs he wouldn't be allowed so what difference should the cup make. This is a fair point. Really anybody should be 'cup tied' once they have appeared for a team. As you say it should be along the same lines as the Play Offs. Of course this would have caused an issue for Lynn but there are Championship only riders who could have guested for Cook. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 1 hour ago, Bash said: Should Kerr be allowed to guest as he rode for his own club in the other semi-final. I did question whether he should have rode in the semi against Ipswich. In the play-offs he wouldn't be allowed so what difference should the cup make. I suppose the difference between the play-offs and the KO Cup,is that if any team needed a rider because one of their riders are injured in the KO Cup you have no PL teams to choose a rider from,in the play-offs you have 3 teams to choose from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 You have the three teams that were knocked out in the first round Belle Vue, Oxford & Birmingham to pick from, same as the three teams to not qualify for the play offs to pick from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 3 hours ago, Bash said: Should Kerr be allowed to guest as he rode for his own club in the other semi-final. I did question whether he should have rode in the semi against Ipswich. In the play-offs he wouldn't be allowed so what difference should the cup make. 13 minutes ago, Bash said: You have the three teams that were knocked out in the first round Belle Vue, Oxford & Birmingham to pick from, same as the three teams to not qualify for the play offs to pick from. That's a very good point Bash I'm very disappointed in myself for letting that one slip past me! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 (edited) 15 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: That's a very good point Bash I'm very disappointed in myself for letting that one slip past me! "Guests for the semi-final(s) of the KO Cup can only be selected from teams that have been eliminated from that competion".Sheffield were eliminated,so I can't see a problem. Edit:I can't actually see anything stopping the 2 teams that make the play off final from using a rider from the other two teams knocked out in the semi finals if needed. Edited July 21 by tellboy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 26 minutes ago, tellboy said: "Guests for the semi-final(s) of the KO Cup can only be selected from teams that have been eliminated from that competion".Sheffield were eliminated,so I can't see a problem. Edit:I can't actually see anything stopping the 2 teams that make the play off final from using a rider from the other two teams knocked out in the semi finals if needed. 100% agree Perhaps another example of a poorly written regulation as I would presume that it was meant to cover teams eliminated in prior rounds but it doesn't state that After all the plan was for the 2 semis to gave each leg on the same nights which would've prevented this situation I believe the play offs is different and the regulation is written to ensure a rider only turns out for 1 team at any point in the 'mini series' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 7 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: 100% agree Perhaps another example of a poorly written regulation as I would presume that it was meant to cover teams eliminated in prior rounds but it doesn't state that After all the plan was for the 2 semis to gave each leg on the same nights which would've prevented this situation I believe the play offs is different and the regulation is written to ensure a rider only turns out for 1 team at any point in the 'mini series' The rule for the play offs imo doesn't stop teams using different guests,it just stops the riders from guesting from different teams.So for instance Ipswich could use Kvech,Klindt and NKI for instance as long as they haven't ridden for anyone else.Unless I have read that wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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