Glasgow 2025

[tyler42]

On 9/27/2025 at 4:14 PM, szkocjasid said:

I didn't see a lot of potential in them (apart from 1 good guest appearance) but if Glasgow wanted 4 heat leaders, 2 x 2.00 reserves was their only option.

But I've been impressed with both of them this season. Scored more than I expected, well done to them.

If I was Glasgow I'd start with both again*, expect the team to have to weaken (if the Champ stays the same) would would mean they can keep more of their top 5.

*Unless Rushen could be signed that is.

It's a sad state of affairs when two riders on 2 plus averages have impressed you. I'm not being disparaging in any shape or form. It just shows how far the standard has dropped. I dread to think how low the standard will be next season. I would imagine the two riders you have mentioned, at least one of them will be in the 1-5. That will be replicated across the whole league. So the dilution will just keep on diluting until it can't get any weaker. Yet one things for certain, the price of admission won't being going down to reflect the lower standard of the sport!!

[MB723]

2 hours ago, tyler42 said:

It's a sad state of affairs when two riders on 2 plus averages have impressed you. I'm not being disparaging in any shape or form. It just shows how far the standard has dropped. I dread to think how low the standard will be next season. I would imagine the two riders you have mentioned, at least one of them will be in the 1-5. That will be replicated across the whole league. So the dilution will just keep on diluting until it can't get any weaker. Yet one things for certain, the price of admission won't being going down to reflect the lower standard of the sport!!

The championship is a very huge jump from the NDL, you're riding against some premiership number 1s and riders that have been at the highest level. Max and Freddy last season were struggling for points (Max was even dropped). At the start of this season they'd have had a good meeting if they scored a point outside of heat 2 but now they're scoring 6+ points and really contributing. While they've not suddenly doubled their average like Cairns did I don't think it was really expected they would. They have definitely had a big improvement, Max and Freddy would run laps around their start of season selves, If they just had a bit better consistency and could carry their home form to more away tracks they would make a significant gain on their average but again it's a tough league so they'll need more time to build on that.

[TheWellBehavedWorrall]

4 hours ago, MB723 said:

Max and Freddy would run laps around their start of season selves

Love that assessment and couldn’t agree more.

[Noelinho]

Max has more than doubled his average this season. Last season, he averaged about 1.04, which was masked by the league minimum 2.00 GSAs. Now it's 2.35. Freddy's average last year was about 1.52 - now it's 2.70.

Earth-shattering? No. But it is measurable progress.

[therefused]

4 hours ago, Noelinho said:

Max has more than doubled his average this season. Last season, he averaged about 1.04, which was masked by the league minimum 2.00 GSAs. Now it's 2.35. Freddy's average last year was about 1.52 - now it's 2.70.

Earth-shattering? No. But it is measurable progress.

your probably trying to justify it to a poster that hasn't seen either of them ride this year

[szkocjasid]

On 9/27/2025 at 6:01 PM, Noelinho said:

Well we topped the league table, got the highest team average in the league and got to the playoffs final, so we've done better than seven out of nine teams.

Who is the stronger reserve you would've taken if you were Glasgow? I wanted us to get Jody Scott, but no idea if we did (or if he would have wanted to).

Same for next year. Jody is taken, surely Redcar will want to keep him. Cooper Rushen seems unlikely to come to Glasgow. Edinburgh will want to keep Jordy Loftus. Of more experienced reserves, Ace seems happy at Redcar. There aren't a lot of obvious options, and some of the teams with strong reserves didn't even make the playoffs so it's not a guarantee of success. That's the great thing about the points limit. Everyone has to compromise somewhere.

That last paragraph is a great point. Part of what makes pre-season so interesting. For the comments saying Glasgow should have gone with a stronger reserve, I've not seen any suggestions of which top rider they should have gone without to fit a better reserve in.

[Fromafar]

2 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

That last paragraph is a great point. Part of what makes pre-season so interesting. For the comments saying Glasgow should have gone with a stronger reserve, I've not seen any suggestions of which top rider they should have gone without to fit a better reserve in.

Hindsight is wonderful but Glasgow  should have stuck by Ace Pjiper.IMO

[szkocjasid]

7 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

Hindsight is wonderful but Glasgow  should have stuck by Ace Pjiper.IMO

I agree with that. But wouldn't have fitted in the current team in place of a reserve. One of the top 5 wouldn't have been signed. In hindsight you'd say Boughen, but pre-season he could've been the next big thing.

[highroad119]

If Max and Freddy were to continue improving at this rate they will have good careers ahead. Max is steady whereas Freddy can't gate but battles past riders when possible. Too many young Brits have chucked it so don't see what unwarranted criticism achieves here. We finish top of the league and make the play off finals. That's plenty good enough for me thanks. 

[TheWellBehavedWorrall]

I don’t think you can underestimate the pressure our team building put on those two young men.

The number six - Hodder to begin with and now Perry - had a remarkably tough gig, especially.

Neither have had the protection of an even slightly more experienced reserve partner - a Grahn, a Starke or a Hook, for example - to bear a bit of the weight and afford them to the time to develop.

I’m not sure what I’d do next season. I think a lot of that depends on how the month of October goes.

[TheWellBehavedWorrall]

Another trophy gone.

You could argue misfortune with the tie being decided in the boardroom, but the decision was based on what happened on the track.

Between this and the disappointment of flopping at home to a depleted Poole side without their talisman (Lawson) and Kerr after one ride, it’s bitterly frustrating.

The top heavy team building hasn’t worked and our gating has been atrocious.

The season could still be a success, of course, with the Play-Off final this week, but worth reflecting after crashing out of the KO Cup and BSN Series, despite being favourites.

[TheWellBehavedWorrall]

Double post.

Edited 6 hours ago by TheWellBehavedWorrall

[Colsimmo58]

Lets hope this LATEST disappointment spurs the Tigers on to win the League.But think Poole will have a ''Rain-off''

on Wednesday, giving them the Second Leg !!!!!

[Pirates Of Poole]

With 2026 in mind. Clearly Glasgow are going to have to off load at least 2 of their top 5 for next season to get anywhere decent under the 40 point limit (if that stays) this would enable them to get at least one strong reserve. Who can you see depart for 2026?

[LisaColette]

2 hours ago, Colsimmo58 said:

Lets hope this LATEST disappointment spurs the Tigers on to win the League.But think Poole will have a ''Rain-off''

on Wednesday, giving them the Second Leg !!!!!

Doesn't matter how many times you repeat yourself, doesn’t make your opinion any more factual. 

We had the first leg of KOC final alright and first leg of KOC SF ok too. So not sure where this opinion is coming from? 

Actually having the first legs at home has worked out pretty good so far wouldn't you say? 

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, LisaColette said:

Doesn't matter how many times you repeat yourself, doesn’t make your opinion any more factual. 

We had the first leg of KOC final alright and first leg of KOC SF ok too. So not sure where this opinion is coming from? 

Actually having the first legs at home has worked out pretty good so far wouldn't you say? 

Agreed, I don't understand some people being adamant that the second leg at home is an advantage.

Poole had home leg first in KOC Semi & final & won. Redcar had home leg first in KOC semi & won. Edinburgh had home leg first in KOC against Workington & won. Oxford had home leg first against Scunthorpe in the KOC & won. Poole had home leg first in the P/O semi & won.

Surely that's far too many instances to prove there is no "second leg at home advantage"?

Edited 1 hour ago by szkocjasid

[SteveLyric2]

45 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

Agreed, I don't understand some people being adamant that the second leg at home is an advantage.

Poole had home leg first in KOC Semi & final & won. Redcar had home leg first in KOC semi & won. Edinburgh had home leg first in KOC against Workington & won. Oxford had home leg first against Scunthorpe in the KOC & won. Poole had home leg first in the P/O semi & won.

Surely that's far too many instances to prove there is no "second leg at home advantage"?

I think having the 2nd leg at home is all about being able to celebrate the aggregate win in front of the home fans - assuming you do actually win it of course!!😉

[szkocjasid]

2 minutes ago, SteveLyric2 said:

I think having the 2nd leg at home is all about being able to celebrate the aggregate win in front of the home fans - assuming you do actually win it of course!!😉

I agree wanting the second leg at home could be beneficial from that point of view, no advantage over 30 heats (unless it's a tie). A good away performance could mean a big crowd. Only danger is having a 30 point away loss, meaning a poor home crowd.