Sir Sidney Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 44 minutes ago, TTT said: They won't. For example if Arran Butcher can't pull up an tree's in the NDL. Then what on earth is he going to do against Riders like Jason Edwards and Jordan Jenkins let alone Chris Harris, Richard Lawson and co. Probably as well as, for example Joe Thompson or Sam Hagon against Emil or Jason currently at Premership level. Of course, there are ways around this such as adjusting the race formula to reduce the number of uneven races. There are no perfect solutions, but we need an acceptable transitional solution that doesn't bankrupt the clubs that are left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago Reading in todays Star Godfrey more hopeful this week, than he was previously we can keep 2 leagues for 2026. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, Sir Sidney said: Probably as well as, for example Joe Thompson or Sam Hagon against Emil or Jason currently at Premership level. Of course, there are ways around this such as adjusting the race formula to reduce the number of uneven races. There are no perfect solutions, but we need an acceptable transitional solution that doesn't bankrupt the clubs that are left. Race format does need a couple of tweaks I agree. We should have 2 Reserve Races a Night, The usual Heat 2 and another during the 2nd half of the meeting. Edited 4 hours ago by TTT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, TTT said: Going to sound disrespectful to NDL Riders but somebody has to speak the truth instead of lying....So I'll take one for the Team. If all of these NDL Riders that some Fans keep going on about were even half decent, Then why haven't they been snapped up by CHAMP Clubs left, right and center? Why are CHAMP Clubs still opting to use Riders like Paul Starke to fill a reserve berth? Why are CHAMP Clubs still opting to use 4.00 Newcomers to fill a reserve berth? The simple answer is......Because most of them are No Hopers, Who will never make it in the Sport to a point where even CHAMP Clubs can't be bothered to invest in them. To be honest the national league or conference league as it was called then was a pretty good product from around 2000-2006 with teams like Weymouth, Wimbledon and Plymouth running infront of big crowds but jealousy set in from above and the bspl sent agent cook in to destroy the national league and reduce it to a training league and by the time I left it in 2012 it was pretty much on its knees to sadly where it is today Edited 6 hours ago by THE DEAN MACHINE 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathcote Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago People keep banging on about not enough riders for one big league....given the fact that Chris Louis claims unless theres a 6 team Premiership Ipswich will not run in 2026....that leaves 13 teams, a total of 91 riders required....97 riders rode in the UK last season...a quick pedantic way to look at it as its plainly clear there will be no room for the Likes of Dan Brady Max and Jack in one big league, but add in a few new comers Cooper Rushen etc, add in the Aussies already plying their trade in Europe but not the UK, Michael West etc, Gets the likes of Matic Ivacic to return and similar, try and entice the likes of Berge and Bellego along with any up and coming new Aussie, Swede, Dane and 13 teams can easily be filled....obvioulsy whether the talent would be spread evenly is another question But in the meantime the can is kicked down the road to sometime in Jan when they finally decide the Premiership is dead or alive..and then wow, where have all the Premiership riders gone??? Dougy, Lidsey Ellis, Musielak, Chris Holder all sat at home now thinking well i cant hang around waiting for the BSPA to get their arse in gear, I'll sign in Poland, Sweden and Denmark...come Feb Sheffield ring Chris up and he says sorry mate, schedules already full, no time for Mondays and Thursday, Same with Dougy, Becker etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singy13 Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 1 hour ago, TTT said: Race format does need a couple of twigs I agree. Yeah too many people barking up the wrong tree on here............. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago TNT have lost UEFA Champions League rights from 2027 so what are the chances of them coming back to the table if we get a 6 Team PREM? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 5 hours ago, RoundTheBoards said: a) Many CL teams aren't able to race on Monday or Thursday, which is needed to include riders who race in other leagues. b) Without the above riders, and without doubling up riders, there are nowhere near enough riders to fill 14 teams. c) Some teams (Workington etc) could not compete financially with others (e,g. Ipswich) and smaller clubs would fold d) We've been through the above 100 times. a) scrap fixed race nights, it's killing clubs. b) there were 151 riders active in British Speedway last year, even if half of them left, it's still enough for 14 x 5 rider teams. c) Worky etc. could compete at a sensible level d) 101 Query1 Name SumOfMatches Luke Harrison 48 Chris Harris 44 Danny King 44 Drew Kemp 44 Richard Lawson 44 Sam Masters 44 Charles Wright 43 Joe Thompson 43 Luke Killeen 43 Tate Zischke 43 Zach Cook 43 Kyle Howarth 42 Anders Rowe 41 Leon Flint 40 Jake Mulford 39 Michele Castagna 38 Peter Kildemand 37 Nicolai Klindt 36 Dan Thompson 35 Sam Hagon 35 Ace Pijper 34 Jason Edwards 34 Justin Sedgmen 34 Lewis Kerr 34 Jonas Jeppesen 32 Jody Scott 31 Freddy Hodder 30 Max Perry 29 Dayle Wood 28 Vinnie Foord 28 William Cairns 28 Jordan Jenkins 26 Jye Etheridge 26 Chris Holder 24 Dan Bewley 24 Max Fricke 24 Ryan Douglas 24 Tobiasz Musielak 24 Tom Brennan 24 Adam Ellis 23 Antti Vuolas 23 Ben Trigger 23 Emil Sayfutdinov 23 Jaimon Lidsey 23 Keynan Rew 23 Maciej Janowski 23 Niels-Kristian Iversen 23 Rohan Tungate 23 Brady Kurtz 22 Jack Holder 22 Jan Kvech 22 Jordy Loftus 22 Josh Pickering 22 Tom Spencer 22 Victor Palovaara 22 Jason Doyle 21 Ben Barker 20 Connor Mountain 20 Kye Thomson 20 Matej Zagar 20 Norick Blodorn 20 Paul Starke 20 Simon Lambert 20 Troy Batchelor 20 Zaine Kennedy 20 Darryl Ritchings 19 Erik Riss 19 Jacob Hook 19 Jonatan Grahn 19 Steve Worrall 19 Tobias Thomsen 19 Alfie Bowtell 18 Cooper Rushen 18 Declan Kennedy 18 Jack Smith 18 Jake Allen 18 Ryan Ingram 18 Senna Summers 18 Arran Butcher 17 Mitch McDiarmid 17 Cameron Heeps 16 Fraser Bowes 16 Luke Harris 16 Ashton Vale 15 Eli Meadows 15 Ashton Boughen 14 Francis Gusts 14 Harry Fletcher 14 Luke Becker 14 Max Broadhurst 14 Michael Palm Toft 14 Nick Morris 14 Stene Pijper 14 Craig Cook 13 Danyon Hume 13 Harrison Rogers 13 Jonas Knudsen 13 Kai Ward 13 Ben Cook 12 Ben Morley 12 Connor Coles 12 Jacob Clouting 12 Lasse Fredriksen 12 Sam McGurk 12 Jamie Etherington 11 Billy Budd 10 Charlie Southwick 10 Jack Shimelt 10 Lee Harrison 10 Mitchell Cluff 10 Scott Nicholls 10 Calum Mitchell 8 Mark Parker 8 Mason Watson 8 Max James 8 Mickie Simpson 8 Sonny Springer 8 Villads Nagel 7 Dan Gilkes 6 Danny Phillips 6 Jack Kingston 6 Matt Marson 6 Michael Jepsen Jensen 6 Nathan Hargrave 6 Charlie Wood 5 Jamie Halder 5 Kenzie Cossey 5 Nathan Ablitt 5 Oskar Polis 5 Sam Woods 5 Ben Rathbone 4 Elliot Kelly 4 Caydin Martin 3 Dylan Huthwaite 3 Kieran Douglas 3 Luke Crang 3 Morgan Williams 3 Owen Booth 3 Seth Norman 3 Bastian Borke 2 Daniel Klima 2 Harley Driscoll-Freeman 2 Joe Crewe 2 Kyran Lyden 2 Laylen Richardson 2 Liam Greens 2 Bailey Fellows 1 Connor King 1 Jack Crewe 1 Jack Franklin 1 Ollie Binns 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, Heathcote said: People keep banging on about not enough riders for one big league....given the fact that Chris Louis claims unless theres a 6 team Premiership Ipswich will not run in 2026....that leaves 13 teams, a total of 91 riders required....97 riders rode in the UK last season...a quick pedantic way to look at it as its plainly clear there will be no room for the Likes of Dan Brady Max and Jack in one big league, but add in a few new comers Cooper Rushen etc, add in the Aussies already plying their trade in Europe but not the UK, Michael West etc, Gets the likes of Matic Ivacic to return and similar, try and entice the likes of Berge and Bellego along with any up and coming new Aussie, Swede, Dane and 13 teams can easily be filled....obvioulsy whether the talent would be spread evenly is another question But in the meantime the can is kicked down the road to sometime in Jan when they finally decide the Premiership is dead or alive..and then wow, where have all the Premiership riders gone??? Dougy, Lidsey Ellis, Musielak, Chris Holder all sat at home now thinking well i cant hang around waiting for the BSPA to get their arse in gear, I'll sign in Poland, Sweden and Denmark...come Feb Sheffield ring Chris up and he says sorry mate, schedules already full, no time for Mondays and Thursday, Same with Dougy, Becker etc You are a bit behind with your comments and maths. To help you catch up First you need to understand the number of available riders is not simply 13x7 because in one big league, A. There cannot be riders doubling up so these count as one. I.e Leicester this year had 4 out of seven who also rode in the Championship. B. Unless all teams agree to ride on Monday & Thursday riders who race in Poland & Scandinavia will also not be available. I.e In Leicester’s case this would remove three riders. Having done that, the number of C. Individual riders who are at the very least capable of riding competitively in a league somewhat similar to that of the current championship will be sufficient to create 8 teams (not 13) or if riders from the NDL are included then maybe 9 teams. But these lads will not be competitive and maybe even be an on track danger to themselves & others. Finally on the matter of the BSPL making final decisions they are working towards the end of November to do so. The AGM on Jan 6th will be as per normal function of company procedure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago I spoke to a promoter a few weeks back and he said there is enough riders for 1 league and he has had loads of calls from European riders that would come over now the under 24 league in Poland is finished and now more like a NL standard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 12 minutes ago, IainB said: a) scrap fixed race nights, it's killing clubs. b) there were 151 riders active in British Speedway last year, even if half of them left, it's still enough for 14 x 5 rider teams. c) Worky etc. could compete at a sensible level d) 101 Query1 Name SumOfMatches Luke Harrison 48 Chris Harris 44 Danny King 44 Drew Kemp 44 Richard Lawson 44 Sam Masters 44 Charles Wright 43 Joe Thompson 43 Luke Killeen 43 Tate Zischke 43 Zach Cook 43 Kyle Howarth 42 Anders Rowe 41 Leon Flint 40 Jake Mulford 39 Michele Castagna 38 Peter Kildemand 37 Nicolai Klindt 36 Dan Thompson 35 Sam Hagon 35 Ace Pijper 34 Jason Edwards 34 Justin Sedgmen 34 Lewis Kerr 34 Jonas Jeppesen 32 Jody Scott 31 Freddy Hodder 30 Max Perry 29 Dayle Wood 28 Vinnie Foord 28 William Cairns 28 Jordan Jenkins 26 Jye Etheridge 26 Chris Holder 24 Dan Bewley 24 Max Fricke 24 Ryan Douglas 24 Tobiasz Musielak 24 Tom Brennan 24 Adam Ellis 23 Antti Vuolas 23 Ben Trigger 23 Emil Sayfutdinov 23 Jaimon Lidsey 23 Keynan Rew 23 Maciej Janowski 23 Niels-Kristian Iversen 23 Rohan Tungate 23 Brady Kurtz 22 Jack Holder 22 Jan Kvech 22 Jordy Loftus 22 Josh Pickering 22 Tom Spencer 22 Victor Palovaara 22 Jason Doyle 21 Ben Barker 20 Connor Mountain 20 Kye Thomson 20 Matej Zagar 20 Norick Blodorn 20 Paul Starke 20 Simon Lambert 20 Troy Batchelor 20 Zaine Kennedy 20 Darryl Ritchings 19 Erik Riss 19 Jacob Hook 19 Jonatan Grahn 19 Steve Worrall 19 Tobias Thomsen 19 Alfie Bowtell 18 Cooper Rushen 18 Declan Kennedy 18 Jack Smith 18 Jake Allen 18 Ryan Ingram 18 Senna Summers 18 Arran Butcher 17 Mitch McDiarmid 17 Cameron Heeps 16 Fraser Bowes 16 Luke Harris 16 Ashton Vale 15 Eli Meadows 15 Ashton Boughen 14 Francis Gusts 14 Harry Fletcher 14 Luke Becker 14 Max Broadhurst 14 Michael Palm Toft 14 Nick Morris 14 Stene Pijper 14 Craig Cook 13 Danyon Hume 13 Harrison Rogers 13 Jonas Knudsen 13 Kai Ward 13 Ben Cook 12 Ben Morley 12 Connor Coles 12 Jacob Clouting 12 Lasse Fredriksen 12 Sam McGurk 12 Jamie Etherington 11 Billy Budd 10 Charlie Southwick 10 Jack Shimelt 10 Lee Harrison 10 Mitchell Cluff 10 Scott Nicholls 10 Calum Mitchell 8 Mark Parker 8 Mason Watson 8 Max James 8 Mickie Simpson 8 Sonny Springer 8 Villads Nagel 7 Dan Gilkes 6 Danny Phillips 6 Jack Kingston 6 Matt Marson 6 Michael Jepsen Jensen 6 Nathan Hargrave 6 Charlie Wood 5 Jamie Halder 5 Kenzie Cossey 5 Nathan Ablitt 5 Oskar Polis 5 Sam Woods 5 Ben Rathbone 4 Elliot Kelly 4 Caydin Martin 3 Dylan Huthwaite 3 Kieran Douglas 3 Luke Crang 3 Morgan Williams 3 Owen Booth 3 Seth Norman 3 Bastian Borke 2 Daniel Klima 2 Harley Driscoll-Freeman 2 Joe Crewe 2 Kyran Lyden 2 Laylen Richardson 2 Liam Greens 2 Bailey Fellows 1 Connor King 1 Jack Crewe 1 Jack Franklin 1 Ollie Binns 1 Well you are most probably correct in assuming half of those listed would leave. And if five man teams become the way forward involving a large inclusion of NDL level then it would be fair to presume half of the current UK attendees would also disappear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeOldPitGate Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 41 minutes ago, TTT said: TNT have lost UEFA Champions League rights from 2027 so what are the chances of them coming back to the table if we get a 6 Team PREM? Near zero I reckon unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 2 hours ago, TTT said: Race format does need a couple of tweaks I agree. We should have 2 Reserve Races a Night, The usual Heat 2 and another during the 2nd half of the meeting. With respect, I think you need to think outside of the box a little more, the race format doesn't need a couple of tweaks... it needs radical overhaul. You seem to be basing most of your arguments to fit into the current way of things, this need scrapping, it has failed. I don't think anybody is suggesting that Ollie Binns is going to be facing Chris Harris and/or Richard Lawson all night, in fact he shouldn't be facing them at all at his level. For me the NDL needs incorporating onto the CL with a clear progression path for riders with the race format. So reserves only ever race against reserves and the lowest second string, the second string only rides against reserves and the 2nd/3rd heat leader and so on up the ladder. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 11 minutes ago, YeOldPitGate said: Near zero I reckon unfortunately. I agree. Just thought I'd raise the point though considering TNT will have to add some content in order to get people to sign up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago With all this talk of rider shortages,surprised no has suggested that maybe some foreign riders might be keen UK a go . Visa and things might be required but who knows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, TTT said: I agree. Just thought I'd raise the point though considering TNT will have to add some content in order to get people to sign up. TNT/Warner are very likely to be taken over by Paramount!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, TTT said: I agree. Just thought I'd raise the point though considering TNT will have to add some content in order to get people to sign up. Most people I know only have a TNT subscription because of the Champions League (they have no interest is speedway, real world) so they could see a massive drop off in subscribers as it’s an expensive add on to a Sky/Virgin package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago TNT could maybe want to go for the hat trick of binning Speedway off for a third time 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 13 minutes ago, Teromaafan said: Most people I know only have a TNT subscription because of the Champions League (they have no interest is speedway, real world) so they could see a massive drop off in subscribers as it’s an expensive add on to a Sky/Virgin package. Most people i know have TNT for moto gp, wsb,and bsb. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 15 minutes ago, poole keith said: Most people i know have TNT for moto gp, wsb,and bsb. Yip.The coverage is 1st Class on all 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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