Youhave2minutes Posted Tuesday at 04:38 PM Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 04:38 PM 39 minutes ago, mikebv said: None.... They always only last 3 months.... Never known an organisation fluff up so many times and still draw a blank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted Tuesday at 04:41 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 04:41 PM 2 hours ago, SteveLyric2 said: So the next obvious questions to follow your 'younger audience' statement is "what would attract a younger audience to attend regularly"? And "what age is a 'younger audience'? I cannot imagine a younger audience being incentivised to attend if they are getting easy access to full meetings on mainstream TV, Streaming or You-Tube! There has to be abetter chance of them being attracted to watch a short, sharp 'highlights' package involving some sort of jeopardy and gladiatorial battles (and no I don't mean Plymouth). I have always thought it strange that anyone still at school isn't allowed in for free... The Aces (I think), let U12's in for free on the back straight, which is a good idea... However, just as they become more interested and nuanced in the sport the person who takes them now has to pay for them... Just at a time too when they start going out with their mates, and going somewhere (by yourself), that your Dad and Grandad attends suddenly becomes "very uncool".. Let all school kids in for free, let them bring their mates for free, and let them "sod off" by themselves if they so wish... Some will never become "paying punters" but some will, and some of those will be "mates" who never attended Speedway, until their mate who did, took them.. These "teens" are not there now in any numbers worth a mention, so let them in for nothing as you have nothing to lose, but maybe something longer term to gain... It is barmy that at somewhere like the NSS (particularly on TV), swathes of seats and terracing lie empty when thousands of kids attend local schools and play in local sports leagues... One of the positives of internet purchasing is that you gauge well in advance as to what your ticket sales will be like on the night, as the "walk up and pay on the gate people" will have an average number too... Therefore if your capacity is 2000 more than you expect to turn up, flood the local schools, kids groups, sports teams etc etc with free tickets... They, and their parents/guardians, will not be turning up to pay anyway, so nothing to lose... And if the odd few parents, who do actually attend, get a free ticket then its a small price to pay to give the optics out that you are a "popular sport"... People are very much sheeplike and get easily led by seeing a "big crowd", and just automatically latch on to it, and follow it.... The opposite also is true, ie. If it looks unpopular, it must be unpopular, and something I won't be interested in following... 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted Tuesday at 04:48 PM Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 04:48 PM 3 minutes ago, mikebv said: I have always thought it strange that anyone still at school isn't allowed in for free... The Aces (I think), let U12's in for free on the back straight, which is a good idea... However, just as they become more interested and nuanced in the sport the person who takes them now has to pay for them... Just at a time too when they start going out with their mates, and going somewhere (by yourself), that your Dad and Grandad attends suddenly becomes "very uncool".. Let all school kids in for free, let them bring their mates for free, and let them "sod off" by themselves if they so wish... Some will never become "paying punters" but some will, and some of those will be "mates" who never attended Speedway, until their mate who did, took them.. These "teens" are not there now in any numbers worth a mention, so let them in for nothing as you have nothing to lose, but maybe something longer term to gain... It is barmy that at somewhere like the NSS (particularly on TV), swathes of seats and terracing lie empty when thousands of kids attend local schools and play in local sports leagues... One of the positives of internet purchasing is that you gauge well in advance as to what your ticket sales will be like on the night, as the "walk up and pay on the gate people" will have an average number too... Therefore if your capacity is 2000 more than you expect to turn up, flood the local schools, kids groups, sports teams etc etc with free tickets... They, and their parents/guardians, will not be turning up to pay anyway, so nothing to lose... And if the odd few parents, who do actually attend, get a free ticket then its a small price to pay to give the optics out that you are a "popular sport"... People are very much sheeplike and get easily led by seeing a "big crowd", and just automatically latch on to it, and follow it.... The opposite also is true, ie. If it looks unpopular, it must be unpopular, and something I won't be interested in following... Well said. They will never learn.Anything we put forward would be looked down upon as much to say what would we supporters possibly know 🤨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted Tuesday at 07:24 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 07:24 PM 4 hours ago, Fromafar said: How many 5 or 10 year growth plans have these Amateur's at BSPA tried too implement with total failure. None. The largest range they've ever worked to in recent years is a 3yr plan. At that, in the main, they've folded after a season. The issue is always the 'self importance' of the promoters. Their minds can't see past 12 months. Their interest is not about the sport overall, but only the functionality of the club they're running. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted Tuesday at 07:38 PM Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 07:38 PM 13 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: None. The largest range they've ever worked to in recent years is a 3yr plan. At that, in the main, they've folded after a season. The issue is always the 'self importance' of the promoters. Their minds can't see past 12 months. Their interest is not about the sport overall, but only the functionality of the club they're running. Say it as it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 22 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 22 hours ago Perhaps Dazn sports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 1 hour ago, Youhave2minutes said: Perhaps Dazn sports? They do offer price structures tailored to individual sports rather than a singular monthly subscription, but the question is always the same. How would that attract NEW fans to the sport it desperately needs?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 20 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 26 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: They do offer price structures tailored to individual sports rather than a singular monthly subscription, but the question is always the same. How would that attract NEW fans to the sport it desperately needs?? True. However someone needs to look after the present fans, who do to high costs of travelling like to keep in touch with their team on there travels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 43 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: They do offer price structures tailored to individual sports rather than a singular monthly subscription, but the question is always the same. How would that attract NEW fans to the sport it desperately needs?? People need to stop seeing TV coverage as a tool to promote the sport. If that’s the aim then the promoters should take out some prime time advertising on television. The days of flicking through the channels and stumbling upon something are long gone. There are too many channels and streaming options. Television companies aren’t going to give out a deal to help push speedway to the masses. They want something that is established and will bring eyes to their channel. The promoters need to make the sport an attractive proposition for a broadcaster to take an interest not expect a TV deal and for that TV deal to suddenly attract fans through the gates of tracks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago 2 hours ago, Ben91 said: People need to stop seeing TV coverage as a tool to promote the sport. If that’s the aim then the promoters should take out some prime time advertising on television. The days of flicking through the channels and stumbling upon something are long gone. There are too many channels and streaming options. Television companies aren’t going to give out a deal to help push speedway to the masses. They want something that is established and will bring eyes to their channel. The promoters need to make the sport an attractive proposition for a broadcaster to take an interest not expect a TV deal and for that TV deal to suddenly attract fans through the gates of tracks. 100%, hence why in a previous post I'd said that the best thing British Speedway could do is have whole meetings streamed for free to everyone via YouTube. Have the meetings live to members only & release it to the public a week later. As you said, British Speedway doesn't have the pull to be 'Mainstream'. YouTube is THE only way forward for this sport over the next decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted 16 hours ago Report Share Posted 16 hours ago 5 hours ago, Youhave2minutes said: Perhaps Dazn sports? I would be surprised if DAZN were to take on British Speedway as like Premier sports their business model is to take other broadcasters coverage and then broadcast it in the UK. The only current exception to this is Boxing coverage which is produced on house but again has a long list of broadcasters taking their feed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 5 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 5 hours ago Bring Screensport back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveArena Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago Harry will have a word with Sky and they will save the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 54 minutes ago, SteveArena said: Harry will have a word with Sky and they will save the day. If they want someone with links to Sky then they've probably got the wrong Redknapp involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveArena Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago Harry can obviously speak to Jamie about it. He probably knows the head of sport there himself anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran22222 Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 15 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: 100%, hence why in a previous post I'd said that the best thing British Speedway could do is have whole meetings streamed for free to everyone via YouTube. Have the meetings live to members only & release it to the public a week later. As you said, British Speedway doesn't have the pull to be 'Mainstream'. YouTube is THE only way forward for this sport over the next decade. Should have proper highlights packages for every meeting. Would be 20-25 minutes. Would need to look professional with proper graphics and commentary, but IMO this is the only way you are going to get new viewers. Maybe even the creation of some introduction videos explaining the rules on the channel would help to get new viewers as well. There should also be some short form content on TikTok/Instagram regularly for top 5 heats of the week, best overtakes, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeOldPitGate Posted 59 minutes ago Report Share Posted 59 minutes ago 15 hours ago, flagrag said: I would be surprised if DAZN were to take on British Speedway as like Premier sports their business model is to take other broadcasters coverage and then broadcast it in the UK. The only current exception to this is Boxing coverage which is produced on house but again has a long list of broadcasters taking their feed On a scale of 1-10 how would you rate the chances of any deal getting over the line Flagrag ? 1 being near zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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