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  1. 5 points
    Poole will be there or thereabouts no doubt. And where did i say Tungate was better than Kurtz? Just nice for Belle Vue fans to see their second string doing well. Plus why arent Poole fans up in arms about Holder not riding in the Aussie champs?? They very vocal about Tai not doing the British Final so im assuming they must have the same thoughts regarding Holder
  2. 4 points
    Has it ever been any different? I remember when I first went to speedway in the 60s my old Dad telling me that the racing was much better "before The War"!! As was football, cricket and virtually everything else as well!! The only difference was that unlike now, there was a few more folk watching! Remember.....Nostalgia ain't what it used to be!!
  3. 4 points
    Thanks for your interest Gustix. Somebody belatedly just pointed me in the direction of this forum, so I joined. I'm alive and well, living in a small Yorkshire village looking after birds (feathered ones), growing roses, being belligerent and generally enjoying life in my late 70s. Sadly, no other family members (four sons, two grandchildren, have any interest in speedway). I still enjoy watching the GPs and WC on tv. Not so sure about the Elite (Premiership) coverage where incredibly boring processional racing is 'excused' by Mr Tatum waffling on about a 'Technical track'. I have no post Speedway Mail contact with speedway other than occasional correspondence with Mike Patrick whose company I always enjoyed in the old days although we were on 'rival' publications and a few contacts from the good old 1960s days in Poland. Nothing much changes - Split Waterman and Briggo were always the masters in my book (starting watching at West Ham in 1946). Glad to see you are a New Cross fan - always loved the visits to the Frying Pan.
  4. 3 points
    That would be very strange - doesnt he have an established average more recent than Sczepaniak for example....
  5. 3 points
    If anyone other than Poole wanted Woryna and Szczpaniak do you think they'd be allowed to get them on less than the 5.00 of similar (or weaker) Poles like Drozdz? Of course not.
  6. 3 points
    Also does Holder sing the UK national anthem and have a union jack tatooed on his back?
  7. 3 points
    Kurtz may look a weak number one on paper but there arent many strong ones on paper either imo. with his rapid improvement he could actually go on to be top 3 in the averages, who else do you have apart from Doyle as a proven number one in this league? Morris? Thorsell? Cook? Vaculik could find life a nightmare in the UK and be a flop. Lynn havent got a number one. He has a higher average than Nicholls and Harris who are both on their way down. To me it looks as though Kurtz, as it stands, could quite easily be second or third in the averages by the end of the season. Id be stunned if first time number ones in Morris, Cook, Thorsell and Vaculik average more than him to be honest but I guess we will see.
  8. 3 points
    Going by your assessment that means Poole would be better off with Tungate or Pickering at number one rather than Kurtz?! the Aussie champs are now quite frankly just something for the younger Aussies to do to waste time during the off season, none of the top Aussies bother with it anymore (Doyle, C Holder, Batchelor etc). judging riders on these meetings is rather silly. Didnt Davey Watt finish in the top 3 last season, how did his UK season go?
  9. 3 points
    Its true that the sport as a whole cannot afford the top boys BUT there is a handful of clubs who could afford some of them so why not go for one big league (of approx. Championship level) and allow the handful of clubs to also run a 'Super League' set up if they can afford it and reckon they can attract the crowds? The likes of Wolves, Poole, Rye House, Glasgow, Sheffield etc are backed by a combination of successful businesses and sponsorship and could easily operate a top league on a set night and also run a Championship-level team in the bigger one league? It could be the best of both worlds.
  10. 3 points
    Everyone would love to see a last heat decider with four top class riders battling it out but fans and promoters have to see what the reality is and the fact is British Speedway CANT afford to try and use the big earners. Crowds are vastly down in most cases so the revenue has gone and with the lucrative TV deal money now all dried up, clubs are now getting towards a six figure sum less than a decade ago. With riders we want to see race here earning wages in excess of £3,000 a night at least, it takes the first 200 (300) through the turnstiles just to clear that issue and you still have the rest to pay plus expenses and running costs. However the idea of one big league at a lower level would considerably lower the wage bill and give tracks much more variety to promote on a more weekly basis. Current Championship tracks don't want to move up or be forced to sign stronger riders, but if they carry on as they are or at a slightly lower level, they would get more meetings and matches against local rivals that are currently in the other division. So while it's fine saying we want to see the big names back in Britain, these fans have to see the facts that they have outgrown this country and working abroad is the only way to make serious money and chase the big rewards and sponsors. Fixed race nights were bought in to stop fixture clashes and not entice the big earners back but having these two race nights can be seen as some as a possible way of getting good track time like Vaculik has and maybe even another possibly on his way to make a return to Britain. Bit the future of British Speedway has to be with British riders getting chances to develop and more riders given team places and at a level that the low turn out of fans and no TV deal can afford to give this country a marketable product for everyone. One Big League has to be the way forward soon before the lights go out
  11. 3 points
    Somerset are really lucky, they have many volunteers doing a great job.
  12. 2 points
    And a lovely guy. After Ben Powell ran his bike into him after Kenni had won a race against him, Kenni just said "why did he do that David" and looked puzzled. No swear words or chasing after him into the pit, just bewildered why a fellow rider would do such a stupid action. Ben rightly got a season long ban, but returned home to OZ without paying his large fine so no chance of him riding again..
  13. 2 points
    Watched the Fleetwood v Leicester FA cup match on tv today and the commentator mentioned that the home teams ground is built on the old speedway track site, also that he watched speedway at Bristol. This got me thinking about the Fleetwood Flyers so I did a quick search and came up with this www.fleetwoodtoday.co.uk/lifestyle/dramatic-end-for-fleetwood-speedway-1-1561864 Looks like some promoters of those days were just as dodgy as some of todays, and that things really don't change.
  14. 2 points
    Not just because its my team but if Drodz is assessed at 5 and Woryna and Szczpaniak who in Poland are both better riders are allowed keep their old averages. Which for both is lower than Drodz. Even though they have both improved since they last rode here and both have had a stint riding on British tracks and have more idea about what to expect set ups,different shale etc. Then I have to ask has the person working out riders averages got any common sense at all. All any of us fans want is fair play for all.
  15. 2 points
    Only because he wasn't in it!
  16. 2 points
    I always say that the first few years of watching speedway are probably your best. It's like with music, you tend to compare things with what you've already experienced, and the things you're currently experiencing when you look on them in 10 years, will probably be better in your memory than you experienced. Looking back on old photos always bring a nicer feeling than when they were taken.
  17. 2 points
    It would be more than worth the risk seeing/hearing Trees shout for Nicki again though
  18. 2 points
    Surely with the lack of any TV money, the days of being able to afford the GP riders is upon us, and must be faced up to. Because the top riders kept moaning about 'too many meetings', we now have a top flight league that can only offer 14 home meetings in a speedway season that starts in March/April and in theory goes on until October. Now I believe we have a Championship that is offering only 10 home league meetings! How does that square with a season of at least 29 weeks? Do the fans want alternate week home meetings? Many are drifting away, having lost the habit. The majority of riders need more meetings (hence doubling up). How many meetings do the majority of promoters want to make their business viable? How do you please riders, fans and promoters alike? 2019 must be the season when when the powers that be allow one big league, initially split into two regional leagues, ( helping to reduce costs) with the top 4 from each racing off for the title, and the remainder racing in a supplementary competition/cup, thereby ensuring that each club races around 20 home meeting. The second half of the season would see north v south matches. It may be best to go with 6 rider teams initially, but I believe that would soon revert back as the new young crop of riders develop. It might even be possible to then add a genuine knock out Cup competition, run on the same lines as the FA Cup - fixed dates for each round, preliminary rounds perhaps for the National league clubs with the top 2 then being drawn at home v the top boys and the chance of a giant killing even! That would give most riders enough meetings - without the dreaded doubling up; allow the fans to have more regular, varied, meaningful meetings and hopefully give the promoters a more attractive offering.
  19. 2 points
    Where did it go wrong? Probably in the golden 70s and 80s when crowds were notably better, we were on terrestrial TV with national sponsors and the promoters actually made money. That was the point to invest, take full ownership of and modernise the facilities and the experience. Instead British speedway sat back, promoters pocketed the cash and watched whilst the rest of the world went by. Our stadiums were sheds, that was okay then, because it was the norm for all sports. Today’s facilities for not just football, but rugby league, rugby union, cricket and horse racing - even the cinema - are a world away from what they were in the 70s and 80s. Ours, with a couple of exceptions, are the same standard. Now, largely as tenants and without a pot to pee in, British Speedway can’t do much about that. As a consequence, the product itself - certainly in the top league - has also suffered badly. What promoters need to do collectively, is really think what the product is they are actually selling to the public and give them value for money. I posted on here a few years ago that the sport needed to cut its cloth and have appropriate outgoings for the riders and associated costs to give them more financial freedom to make the overall entertainment package better. This included ditching GP riders, a regional league structure culminating in the Northern Champions facing the Southern Champions in a play-off final. The promoters needs to forget about the GP and it’s riders and treat that as the separate product it is. At the moment the sport is paying out top dollar for GP riders. For what purpose? Have the stadiums been rammed when Tai Woffinden or Jason Doyle visited? The use of top international riders is actually hindering British Speedway to provide a credible spectacle. We all get our knickers in a twist over guests and doubling up. These silly rules are only the result of clubs trying to be competitive because of the unnecessary high calibre of riders that do not bring in the crowds to league speedway. What good is it having a GP rider on show if it means teams requiring guests and double up riders, excessive costs, money pouring into the pockets of riders and tuners, whilst the fans watch uncompetitive racing, riders with other priorities, competition with no credibility and have to pee against a wall in the dark. It makes as much business sense as having lobster on the menu in Macdonald’s. It’s about value for money. League speedway needs to think about itself as Macdonald’s serving cheap, cheerful, reliable and consistent offerings. I went to two meetings last year, the Cardiff GP and an Elite League match between Somerset and Belle Vue. Cardiff was a premium product, great stadium, top riders, every rider gave it everything and the racing was good. It cost a fair whack, but I got value for money. I’ll be back. At Somerset, the Aces had 5 riders, including a guest and doubling up riders and also rider replacement, racing was reasonable and my mum fell over on the back straight grass terracing in the pitch black. It was about a fifth of the cost, but I didn’t feel I got value at all. You are being pitched something that is elite, but is patently not. Time to strip it back, remove the excessive costs flooding out to top riders and deliver a cheap and cheerful offering with affordable riders who are fully committed to British Speedway. Borrowing from another thread, I also wonder if speedway should explore going the extra mile and collaborate to deliver a multi-sport offering. Could we partner with other sports like stock car racing, sidecars, shorttrack, even greyhound racing and deliver a better all-round evening or afternoon’s entertainment for a broader range of punters? I’m sure there will be reasons why these are logistically difficult, but surely not impossible.
  20. 1 point
    You won't win the league with that team, you will need changes like last season.
  21. 1 point
    Reserve teams are not popular.. in any sport.
  22. 1 point
    Did not have a go at Poole.Just said the person working out the averages has no common sense.If you think that 2 better riders should have a lower average then you are in the same boat. Drodz going off the better Poles averages should imo have been assessed at 4 no matter what team he rides for
  23. 1 point
    Well, I went on holiday, and yes, there was a bit of down time in the evenings, so we watched some dvds while relaxing, it was quite fun actually, and it got my friends and family who were there talking, so yes, it was fun I would rather do that than sit and stare at the walls while we have small talk about nothing... Don't forget Jerran Hart Yep, I know there might not be anything to say, but silence is worse than updating us about 'nothing'
  24. 1 point
    It is a strange phenomenon. At Swindon more than half the crowd leave before the team have come round on the victory parade, let alone stay for the post meeting interviews, MoTM presentation etc. I can't explain it. I'd rather stand around for 10 minutes watching the proceedings than sit in a queue of traffic waiting to get out of the car park
  25. 1 point
    Yep, neither can I. 4 easy points.
  26. 1 point
    I can’t wait for Swindon vs Poole
  27. 1 point
    Sidecars a perfectly good motorcycle ruined I don't think mixing other sports with Speedway would be such a good thing as mostly Speedway fans aren't very interested in motorcycles. I would guess far more follow the other local teams in Football, Rugby, Ice Hockey etc than watch other motorcycle racing. We have done short track demo's at Speedway meetings at Rye House which have been received well but there have only been a couple of races and being demo's there has been a lot of passing and contact The one thing which I think would fit in really well at Speedway would be to run a cycle speedway meeting on the infield with the races between the main meetings races. Another local team to support which would cost very little to run (if the infield is available). Another option would be to get some young kids on motorcycles doing Trials demonstrations or perhaps the local kids grass trackers getting a couple of outings a year. None of it is going to attract much in the way of new spectators though, even the cycle speedway fans tend to go to Speedway anyway. Stock cars and Greyhounds would not be an option because of the fence for stocks and the shale getting on the greyhound track.
  28. 1 point
    As one of the lads on the Belle Vue Army forum has pointed out ... Joe Jacobs on 3.59 and must be in the reckoning. Excellent at home - as we all know - and might hopefully pick up some points away from home. Definitely one to think about imo.
  29. 1 point
    It is as simple as that - BUT there are other realistic options involving at least 2 other 'quality' riders!!
  30. 1 point
    That sounds a bit like going back to the National League and the Provincial League The NL had the majority of the star riders but there were reducing numbers of clubs, whilst the PL was expanding In the end, they amalgamated and made "one big league" - the British League - and that was a great success Perhaps that's the blueprint for the future!
  31. 1 point
    Ooops, must pay closer attention before posting!
  32. 1 point
    2nd in the A final cracking stuff. Trump card starting at reserve this season.
  33. 1 point
    This video gives some idea of the effort put into making the AMA Supercross a well publicised and superb spectacle. The social media coverage is excellent, the events are well publicised locally and held in Football stadiums with top notch facilities. The racing is great (a must watch on the PC every Sunday morning for me). The stars of the sport become rich and famous as sportsmen. It is supported by factory efforts from the main manufacturers backed up by some huge sponsorship deals and teams. Vast sums of money are invested in these events. They run around 18 meetings a year between January and May throughout the US. They do absolutely everything that I have seen suggested needs doing for Speedway. The live crowds are dropping, currently they are still big enough to be sustainable but it's becoming a real concern. I think the majority of live sports are losing spectators in an age when you can watch just about anything on your phone, PC or TV at little or no cost. Don't know the answers but Speedway has been around a lot longer than Supercross and it seems to have found a level now.
  34. 1 point
    I don't think that's what is holding it up. It's all to do with Chris Holder I think. Read Skidder's post on the Poole thread, it makes the most sense imo.
  35. 1 point
    Yes,very good Just have to look jealously on at the weather.Crisp and cold,unlike our winter here in north Germany has just been wet and grey and now all the rivers are flooding.bah!!!
  36. 1 point
    If Drozdz does end up as a 5.00 - i wouldn't mind the following team :- Cook 8.45 Fricke 7.39 Holder 7.16 Tungate 6.18 Drozdz 5.00 Bewley 4.71 Shanes 2.95, 41.84.
  37. 1 point
    When did Swindon sign him? Somerset maybe!
  38. 1 point
    No team with Iversen at one and Lebedevs at reserve would be 'mighty weak' Sidney. Maybe Auty at seven would make all the difference for you
  39. 1 point
    9.29 Freddie Lindgren 8.64 Jacob Thorssell 8.00 Tai Woffinden 8.00 Piotr Pawlicki Before the one 8 point rider got voted in there was thoughts of using possibly three of these for the new season but with that rule coming in it meant you can only sign one and the loss of the TV deal meant on a business setting you had to go with possibly the cheapest option. With the accidents and injuries suffered by the Swedish pair, Woffinden or Pawlicki do look the bargain signings but at least one could become available if the new averages come out and allow them to come in
  40. 1 point
    Yeh make my day Marra
  41. 1 point
    I'm surprised there is that many riders
  42. 1 point
    What about the other 14
  43. 1 point
    And not a False dawn eh?
  44. 1 point
    Who cares. Swindon didn’t give Ford permission to steal Miedzinski. About time his pathetic oneupmanship was exposed.
  45. 1 point
    Thank god we have 3 leagues, as it should be. The indications are that more top boys would have ridden here this season without the cost cutting 1 8 or over. It's more vital now than ever to try and get a stronger top flight for next season or possibly allow riders in once the season starts. The genuine excitement over 2 day racing that the top boys have been asking for quickly faded when it was done purely as a cost cutting exercise with the thought of no TV money coming in. Hopefully a way can be found for next season to get some more of the top boys over that will be essential to have a top flight league. The sport will be in a much worse place if they amalgamate the leagues, clubs will be down to the bare bones of fans as yet more drift away from the weakest option possible. Just my opinion of course.
  46. 1 point
    If Kus and Jordy are 2 of the 3 remaining that would leave us with around 5.80, why go with Tobi on 4.66 and waste over a point when we could have someone like BWD, could of had Ellis back aswell, british lad, most improved rider in 2017, and now ditched, looks like we got what we needed from him last year and then tossed him aside 1 british lad in the team this season compared to last seasons 5, what happened to bringing the young brits through?
  47. 1 point
    It's fascinating to see the cynicism of Premiership fans here, and quite simply breathtaking arrogance that they are superior beings whose needs must be met. The second division was shafted by such arrogance in the nineties and you can understand a certain wariness now. In some ways you can draw parallels with the National League/Provincial League in the sixties when the dying NL acted as if it had the right to force Wolverhampton to join them. Their arrogance failed and the merged league that brought so much success was forged on the second tier's terms. The same is needed today but our 'elite' promoters and fans won't accept that, crying 'watered down' and demanding everyone spend money they haven't got like they do. A merger will only come after a genuine crisis. We're not quite there yet. Perhaps an acceptance that we're all just one small sport fighting for survival might be a starting point, and an understanding that just because your team is in the top division it doesn't make the management and fans some superior race.....
  48. 1 point
    After all the moaning on here I would expect it to be one of "those" particular members of this forum........... they can then set about delivering what they have claimed should be "easy"!!
  49. 1 point
    So it seems that the rumoured re-assessment of certain assessed riders has indeed been re-assessed. The original 'independent' assessment has been assessed as being wrongly assessed so has been re-assessed for the coming season. I expect to see an announcement about the re-assessed assessments fairly soon. In fact I would assess that it will happen sometime before March - although I may well have to re-assess my assessment.
  50. 1 point
    Would have Alfie in before tom he has came on leaps this year and having ridden all championship tracks will give him confidence next year 100% effort from him every meeting