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Awwww no. The thread read has only just opened and it’s been Gavin and Shovlar’d stand by for more of the usual .....

Ive set up a little separate thread here for all you bitter Poole fans to have a little chat all on your own about the Grand Final.................simply because some of you are clogging up the main threads discussing how woeful Ipswich were in not trying last night You can sit on here and discuss how poor the final is without Poole in it all by yourselves and let the Ipswich and Swindon fans, who have a mutual respect for each other, carry on with the final chat Maybe next season, if you dont pick the 'easy' team in the semi final, and you have riders that actually put in effort, then you can be a part of a Grand Final thread again...............

It’s unfortunate that the best team is in the final ? I suppose if we’d have sent a NL side you would have been happier?

Adam Ellis was outstanding last night. He has really stepped up this year and I'm sure his partnership with Doyle has helped in that. Long may he continue to improve

What makes you think Poole would push Swindon harder than Ipswich. You couldnt even beat Ipswich in the semi. Some Poole fans clearly have there heads stuck in the first bend ruts.

What sort of questions should be asked? There is a level points limit in place. Swindon played it well this year, just as Poole have in the past. In a way, the culture of making team changes is brought about by the relatively low points limit anyway. It means the ambitious teams replace "filler" riders as the year goes on.

For a thread that is about Ipswich V Swindon, can't believe the amount of Posts from Poole supporters who claim Poole would've done better. Fact is you are not in the final. For these supporters to say that Ipswich weren't giving it their all is complete and utter bull. This is a final and if they think that they are living in cloud cuckoo land. Swindon are just too strong and would beat any of the other play-off teams. No disgrace in that. The track favoured Swindon last night as we are not a team of gaters, we didn't get the results in the reruns of races that were stopped, but that's speedway. Swindon looked sharper than us but that could've something to do with not riding for two weeks waiting for the second semi to be completed. Anyway Ipswich have surpassed all expectations from a lot of fans this year and hope we can put up a good showing tomorrow at Swindon.

Can we stop going on about Ipswich vs Poole on every thread, It really is pathetic from both sets of fans. That's done & dusted. Back to Thursday now, checking the weather & it's mixed for tomorrow now. Hopefully the winds will push through any showers predicted.

Lost me there I'm afraid.

Doesn't matter a toss, your team bummed out at the semi final stage,,, so ain't taking Jack schnitzel anywhere. Suck it up buttercup

It's because Perks came into a position which was, basically, scoring nothing in every match. Swindon had a strong top 5, but the criticism was that their reserves couldn't beat and egg, and we were narrowly losing matches regualarly because our reserves couldn't beat anyone. Perks and Vissing came in and were scoring well against the other reserves, with Perks being a great crowd pleaser with is never say die effort. Nobody is saying he is the next Loram or Screen. Adam Ellis, however, just might be...?

There appears to be no justification for what has been announced ( has it been announced publicly?) as the rule book simply does not allow it. It would appear the rules are to be ignored ( again ) and Vatcher and Pipe are just making it up as they go along. No doubt the puppet Vatcher has been told by his masters, the BSPA Mafia, that they want precedence over the riders concerned and Vatcher has then told Pipe that this will happen, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE SPORT as they like to say or to the detriment of the National League.

It was most unfortunate that Swindon were in the finals. Any of the other six teams would have produced a far better competition for the league's finale of the season. Ipswich's semi-final against Poole would have made a fitting climate. But it is not good viewing when one team is head and shoulders above the rest. I'm not knocking Swindon, but they are far too strong for this league and questions need to be asked about the way teams are assembled.. As hard as T & P tried to make the 2nd leg interesting, we all know it will be a foregone conclusion..... I have no problems Swindon being champions, but feel Ipswich don't deserve having their noses rubs in the process....

That's what you get at Ipswich. Sometimes it's slightly better, but most of the time it's like that. Until bikes are changed, that's what we gonna get

Getting excited now, gotta get a few hours before I head to the train station and then head straight from leicester to another night shift..... But the biggest match in Kent's history, honestly a bag of nerves.

Nope, diverting attention to take the heat out of a thread when it starts to get a little eeky and nasty and then get it back on topic in a nicer frame.

Observations overall Swindon 1 to 7 definitely a strong team ( stronger than the Witches ) and have come into the final in great form and fully deserved their victory , I'm sure they will be crowned Champions come Thursday ! People have commented that the Robins wanted it more tonight , that's simply not the case , they were just better ! Obviously I'm disappointed as a Witches fan but I certainly can't complain about our season , predicted wooden spoon team makes the final , I'm happy with that . Back to tonight though - Witches can't gate , mostly whoever got out first generally won the heat hence only 4 heat winners in 15 races tells the story . When races were rerun Swindon always ended up winning them which didn't help our cause ( prime example heat 1 ) A few jump starts not pulled back and also IMO a couple of questionable decisions certainly didn't do the Witches any favours , no point in going into details as certain people will argue that black is white when it's not and it's all about opinions at the end of the day . I believe that Swindon would probably still have won even if the decisions had have gone our way but that's just the way it goes sometimes . Anyway I'm a big enough man to accept defeat to a deserving better team .

I would like to see for Poole:- J Holder R Wells THJ

10 or 12 team league 13 Heat Format No.7 protected British U23 Home and Away once One Cup Competition Start April finish in August Play offs in September

100% correct Im an Ipswich fan and cant believe people think others are going overboard on Perks..................came in to do a job and probably has surpassed expectations........nobody expects him to ride in the 1-5 and do what even Ellis is doing...............but he has helped turn Swindons season round no question

I was thinking the same. 30 years ago youngsters like Loram, Screen, Dugard etc were scoring double figures and beating world class riders. Whereas Perks is nicking the odd point or 2 and people are going overboard with the praise. Fair play the guy's a battler but keep things in perspective. I guess it's a sign of how much British talent has fallen down the years.

Oh no I feel dreadful and so deflated at being able to watch and support such a great side with fabulous team spirit.....not sure how I will ever get over it ....feel so guilty that we are deemed too strong for this league , Christ some do talk rot sometimes at the end of the day of we had started the year naming Perks and Vissing at reserves still eyebrows would be raised but the one change that really changed things was Rasmus for Dawid but honestly who in there right mind expected Jensen to nearly double his starting average???? Troy has become more consistent but that's through Doyle keeping him on his toes .....Adam has become far more consistent Doyle's been Doyle (although DC2 thinks otherwise) ....some should be thankful Tobiasz has had a stop start year to keep us off topping the league by miles too! He has come back with a bang with 8 race with a in the playoffs , yes we look dangerous especially from1-5 but we aren't quite Extraliga strength the way some are blabbering on!

Some of the comments posted on here beggars belief!

What a great result but one thing that ruined it was the comments by the muppet Pearson. I really hope that any new tv coverage dumps him.

Even if you think the result is a foregone conclusion, we can all hope for some good racing, even if it's only for pride. A few good fights, good runs from the back, surprising heat wins, whatever, could make for good television even if Swindon have a hand (and a half) on the trophy.