Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted August 12, 2017 If a rider comes to Britain as a raw Aussie, or is a Brit, there is nothing to stop a club having a contract with the rider which allows the rider to ride elsewhere, but a loan fee is collected by the British club if his services are used in Poland. No restraint of trade. About time British speedway got a soice of the Polish money. What better way to get it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Game On 1,117 Posted August 12, 2017 In the past, a jolly off to Tenerife in November was acceptable after a long season. Promoters let their hair dawn, if they had any, ti ckered a little with the rulez and it was job done. Today such methods don't work. With The British league a distant third behind Poland and Sweden, a November conference is next to useless. Time for thd conference to be brought forward, ideally in the SWC week, so that rules will be in place before Poland or Sweden. Team building can start in ernest, riders signed, rules made and a league structure in place. Whatever Poland do should be none of our concern. They can bring in any rule they wish but we should not kowtow to the whims of the Poles. We have more power in the UK than many on here give credit for. Poles playing hard ball? Don't sign any and use the berths for a young Brit. Poles trying to take Aussies that have learnt their trade in the UK? Solution. Sign them on five year contracts. The Poles will have to buy their contracts out. British teams get Polish money for their riders. Pretty sure a contract can be put in place to stop Polish clubs nicking riders that have been trained up in the UK only to head for the money and then be stopped from riding in the UK because of Polish rules. The British promoters have folded like a pack of cards to their Polish counterparts. No resistance whatsoever bar Matt Ford who told them to get stuffed. It's about time the BSPA stood up to be counted by putting in place rules and regs to stop Poland sucking the lifeblood out of our leagues. Thoughts? Maybe a jolly to Rome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted August 12, 2017 Maybe a jolly to Rome. Nice intelligent comment to add to the debate. Perhaps it's better for you to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E I Addio 15,845 Posted August 12, 2017 In the past, a jolly off to Tenerife in November was acceptable after a long season. Promoters let their hair dawn, if they had any, ti ckered a little with the rulez and it was job done. Today such methods don't work. With The British league a distant third behind Poland and Sweden, a November conference is next to useless. Time for thd conference to be brought forward, ideally in the SWC week, so that rules will be in place before Poland or Sweden. Team building can start in ernest, riders signed, rules made and a league structure in place. Whatever Poland do should be none of our concern. They can bring in any rule they wish but we should not kowtow to the whims of the Poles. We have more power in the UK than many on here give credit for. Poles playing hard ball? Don't sign any and use the berths for a young Brit. Poles trying to take Aussies that have learnt their trade in the UK? Solution. Sign them on five year contracts. The Poles will have to buy their contracts out. British teams get Polish money for their riders. Pretty sure a contract can be put in place to stop Polish clubs nicking riders that have been trained up in the UK only to head for the money and then be stopped from riding in the UK because of Polish rules. The British promoters have folded like a pack of cards to their Polish counterparts. No resistance whatsoever bar Matt Ford who told them to get stuffed. It's about time the BSPA stood up to be counted by putting in place rules and regs to stop Poland sucking the lifeblood out of our leagues. Thoughts? Good idea in theory but one of the problems is that as British speedway staggers from financial crisis to financial crisis a lot of clubs don't know until the season ends whether they will be running the following year, an often never do know until they know what sponsorship they can get. Sometimes it even means getting new owners. The BSPA however do have a pre AGM meeting well before November when a lot of things are ironed out. The other problem is signing riders on 5 year contracts when this season has shown more than any other that contracts are meaningless with riders in and out of clubs through a revolving door. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BANANAMAN 330 Posted August 12, 2017 Steve Shovlar, on 12 Aug 2017 - 7:05 PM, said: If a rider comes to Britain as a raw Aussie, or is a Brit, there is nothing to stop a club having a contract with the rider which allows the rider to ride elsewhere, but a loan fee is collected by the British club if his services are used in Poland. No restraint of trade. About time British speedway got a soice of the Polish money. What better way to get it? What if clubs only signed riders who made BRITISH SPEEDWAY their priority ? I agree that the " superstars " wouldn't come here & also throw into the mix ONE league thus removing all doubling up ? Wow that would be a shake up wouldn't it !! ..........We SUPPORTERS could then watch the same riders every meeting representing our Clubs without fear of being served up what's going on at Leicester tonight . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Game On 1,117 Posted August 12, 2017 Nice intelligent comment to add to the debate. Perhaps it's better for you to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. Ahh bless, touched a nerve have we. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted August 12, 2017 Ahh bless, touched a nerve have we. Not at all. You are just cluttering up a thread with a pointless post. Better to stay out of it if you can't add to the debate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trees 2,814 Posted August 12, 2017 Surely correspondence goes on all the time, particularly with Poland who are flexing their muscles sooooo much! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Game On 1,117 Posted August 12, 2017 Not at all. You are just cluttering up a thread with a pointless post. Better to stay out of it if you can't add to the debate. Cluttering up a thread, dont make me laugh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,276 Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) For me, British Speedway should just plot its own path... The BSB Championship is an example of how you can successfully run your own business in the shadow of a 'bigger buisness' which 'sells' the same thing.... World Superbikes has its own stars and the BSB have theirs.... Hold the AGM as soon as the season finishes, detail the following seasons rules and regulations, send all expectations to riders re commitments required and sign up those who meet your stipulations.... Probably no Superstars, but more will be made over time and maybe British Speedway will be in a better position to retain them in the longer term, as (if) it gets its house in order? Edited August 12, 2017 by mikebv 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g13webb 4,254 Posted August 13, 2017 Unfortuantely the BSPA never seem strong enough to reinvent the sport for what it is. We make plans to suit Clubs and Riders without any thought of sustainability of the sport or of the fans. We need to sort out the British scene to suit the British people, when hopefully the fans will be able to connect with the teams. Looking at the riders who partake, we only have a handful of the top riders left, so losing them would not be a great lost. We don't have enough riders, which see too many double-uppers doing the rounds. Yes its a good payday for the riders but does little for the sport, with fixture clashes and guests. So we reduce the teams to 5 or 6 members instead. Lets look at one league run on a North V South basis. These two leagues to run on specific days North on Sun, Mon & Tues; South on Wed, Thurs & Fri ( purely for demonstrating purpose) . then there could be D/U but only as a last resort.. Fixtures to be more regular ( every week) Hopefully this would generate more local derbies: ( Peterborough, Ipswich, Rye House, Kings Lynn) where fans would more likely travel to away meetings... End of season Play-off would bring both divisions together. Am trying to look at the situation logically. We cannot complete with the likes of Poland and Sweden so why try? This could be the last chance to get the sport back on a level footing....... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,276 Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) Unfortuantely the BSPA never seem strong enough to reinvent the sport for what it is. We make plans to suit Clubs and Riders without any thought of sustainability of the sport or of the fans. We need to sort out the British scene to suit the British people, when hopefully the fans will be able to connect with the teams. Looking at the riders who partake, we only have a handful of the top riders left, so losing them would not be a great lost. We don't have enough riders, which see too many double-uppers doing the rounds. Yes its a good payday for the riders but does little for the sport, with fixture clashes and guests. So we reduce the teams to 5 or 6 members instead. Lets look at one league run on a North V South basis. These two leagues to run on specific days North on Sun, Mon & Tues; South on Wed, Thurs & Fri ( purely for demonstrating purpose) . then there could be D/U but only as a last resort.. Fixtures to be more regular ( every week) Hopefully this would generate more local derbies: ( Peterborough, Ipswich, Rye House, Kings Lynn) where fans would more likely travel to away meetings... End of season Play-off would bring both divisions together. Am trying to look at the situation logically. We cannot complete with the likes of Poland and Sweden so why try? This could be the last chance to get the sport back on a level footing....... And the ultimate irony is the more they try and work around all the other 'agendas' globally that effect them by running such a disjointed fixture list , invariably on nights with teams full of Guests, all it does it take away any credibilty in the actual event itself and ultimately removes any satisfaction fans get from actually winning a National title...! Why would anyone want to keep attending something so consistently contrived and cobbled together on such an ad hoc basis and provides very little kudos even if 'your team' wins...? The BSPA should at least give themselves a chance to succeed by taking control of their own destiny... I am sure many fans (and ex fans) out there would support their stance and may even start to attend more as the credibilty of the Leagues grow.. Maybe I am in a minority but I simply won't attend "Guest Fests" meaning my team loses out on probably £500 a season from me and my lad as over half the matches (at least) will be ran with 'select teams'... Ironically I will attend further afield though if the event is 'credible' such is the pull the Sport has if done 'properly'... Wonder how many more out there are like me? As I say, the BSPA should at the very least give themselves a chance by taking charge of 'their' part of the Sport. Especially as they havent got much to lose now I would suggest.. Edited August 13, 2017 by mikebv 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ouch 1,191 Posted August 13, 2017 Which is your team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,276 Posted August 13, 2017 Which is your team? Belle Vue... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g13webb 4,254 Posted August 13, 2017 Which is your team? I find that an irrelevant question. That's the main issue with decision making of this sport. The thought is not about which Team, all thoughts should be directed to the whole concept..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
