acef 795 Posted June 27, 2018 All on busters watch. Save as many clubs as we can this season do whatever it takes. Next season 1 league, whatever race nights suit each club. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk127 1,359 Posted June 27, 2018 The sport in the U.K. tends to have a history of racing seven nights a week and clubs rode on those nights that suited the local fan base. With few exceptions popular race days were Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Others found success on alternative nights because of the number of clubs in the various leagues. Now the sport has to share the action with other nations this is not conducive to the uK business model. Tinkering has failed. Ignoring the fan base has failed. Only the NL (except Stoke) seems to be getting on with entertaining the punter and providing opportunity to new riders. The BSPA have failed to listen and learn. They think they know best and that may possibly be right but those that really count, the fans do not agree. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mattfordfan 286 Posted June 27, 2018 It's true. Rumours at Poole tonight is that we are picking up Harris or Nicholls maybe both. Grajczonek or Szczepaniak going. Maybe even both Hope Rye return next year. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk127 1,359 Posted June 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: MY guess is that we are heading for one league ... the question is how many tracks will be in it? I think two leagues. One NL and the rest and if it is the same number that are open today in the pl and cl then it must be regionalised for financial survival. North and South each with own league and final being between winners of North and South. Cup competition on a national basis, best pairs, 4TT and individual British championship with every league rider eligible with qualifying rounds and final in September for the top scorers. Anything that stops the rot and wholesale closure of tracks. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonny the spud 2,281 Posted June 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Matt Ford Fan said: It's true. Rumours at Poole tonight is that we are picking up Harris or Nicholls maybe both. Grajczonek or Szczepaniak going. Maybe even both Hope Rye return next year. Was that from one of your well placed connections? or are you sitting at home making stuff up as usual ? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,661 Posted June 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Matt Ford Fan said: It's true. Rumours at Poole tonight is that we are picking up Harris or Nicholls maybe both. Grajczonek or Szczepaniak going. Maybe even both Hope Rye return next year. guess you haven't checked out the averages before posting that garbage 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrm 6 Posted June 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: SOME good thoughts there JC excellent idea. best 2 wheeled racing i have ever seen was the yamaha pro am series in the 80's. riders drew a number from a hat for a standard bike and engine supplied by yamaha , close exciting racing and the best rider won not the one with the most money! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Authorised 60 Posted June 27, 2018 I am sadly not surprised. I rarely tweet, but did so on 20th Nov 2017 - highly praised on Twitter and here, especially by international speedway hangers on - that it wasn't good for British Speedway. Once a 7 day sport, week in, week out during March to October, the cost of losing that hurts clubs. As other sports move towards a 7 day model too. Speedway got there first. Look at a track like Coventry, all bar the first Saturday of the month. Speedway. Easy to plan, easy to arrange. Attendances and profile of the sport is now higher in Scotland than the West Midlands. The second tier is far more attractive to fans and promoters. International Riders should not dictate race nights, fans should. The small, irregular top flight will cease to exist. I was an Elite League snob, but the strengths of each division has closed tremendously, aided by the poorly thought double upping and continued absence of top riders. Time to accept where the footfall is, and is not, of fans. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mattfordfan 286 Posted June 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, Jonny the spud said: Was that from one of your well placed connections? or are you sitting at home making stuff up as usual ? I'm being serious. I hope it's not true as I don't want to see Rye House go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mattfordfan 286 Posted June 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: guess you haven't checked out the averages before posting that garbage Just passing on the rumour's at Poole. I have heard Szczepaniak will be leaving but I have also heard Grajczonek will be leaving.......Rumours though. I hope we don't sign either and Rye House remain in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve0 5,517 Posted June 27, 2018 27 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: MY guess is that we are heading for one league ... the question is how many tracks will be in it? Just one - Poole! Then they can get back to winning ways even with a team that is performing worse than last years (currently) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Authorised 60 Posted June 27, 2018 I posted this on 1st Sept last year in a thread called Jason Doyle. It was my last post on this forum, such has been my rate of decline in interest in the sport, but my tune hasn't. I am sure the problems of Rye House are more complex that race night alone, but the whole marketing strategy of the BSPA is ill thought out. It is a sad day for the sport, again. On 9/1/2017 at 11:04 PM, Authorised said: Fixed race nights only serve one purpose. "Global" superstar riders. But do they really put more people on the gate?? If Doyle was appearing at Edinburgh or Glasgow, could I get friends who have been once a year to go and see him win by half a lap? No. Monday and Thursdays are all fine and well, if you are self employed or retired, or a Polish or Swedish speedway fan. It is no good if you work 9-6 all days or have a young family. I have followed the sport for nearly 40 years and this will be the first season with less than double figure meeting attendances and I have to be honest, I don´t miss it as much as I thought I would. If you have a home meeting every other week, and then throw in a rain off or two, people will find better things to do. Fixed nights on Monday or Thursdays may make riders unaffordable. I would much rather see 4 riders competing closely, and socialising with fans post meeting or doing local promotion activity - at whatever level, than a big shot, tweeting from the airport, off to go and earn another quick buck. As other sports look to "stretch their playing week", be it Rugby League on Thurs to Sunday, Rugby Union from Fri to Sun, or Football all 7 days.....it amuses me that a sport was there before all of them in being a 7 day sport. You could take in a couple of tracks a week from the Midlands if you wanted, and there is nothing like an intensity of a consecutive night Cup Final (Glasgow, Edinburgh), or a 2 fixture Easter Monday (Cradley, Coventry). The sport will lose something special, but it has lost a lot over the years. I wonder how much of the crowd drops are due to fans "doubling up" at multiple tracks during the summer months, and now, not. As anyone in marketing will tell you, it costs a lot more to get a "new" fan than to retain your existing one. I was first on the forum in 06-07, when I called for an independent BSPA. The Sport has since struggled through decision making with no real back up or research. Matt Ford once called for less meetings similar to Poland, and then during the winter, called for more! I believe Speedway should have the intensity of a 7 day sport, low gate prices and lots of racing.....similar to say, NBA. It would probably be directly employed riders only, but if you also got them doing promotional work, it can suceed. If that means losing the last couple of GP riders, then so what? British Speedway needs to prioritise it´s needs over that of the GP or Monster Energy. If BSPA were a promotional and marketing body, they would ask, "What do fans want", not "What do riders want to fit into Swedish and Polish schedules". 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinny 2,536 Posted June 27, 2018 another one bites the dust. And nothing will be done about it, similar to when Birmingham closed. The bspa will say they will help the club in all ways possible, but wont . Every season the fans are ensured the season after will be the start of something new, and it never happens just seems to get worse and worse. doesnt help how speedway in the UK is still dated in the 70s/80s , yet in Poland and sweden etc the presentation is miles ahead.... get with the effing times for god sake. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2ndbendbeerhut 1,781 Posted June 27, 2018 56 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Maybe we can increase the size of the Premiership and include Sheffield and Ipswich to the league. No thanks ... Ipswich are quite happy where we are thanks. Think Sheffield will say the same. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bald Bloke 3,287 Posted June 27, 2018 Only 2 leagues next season.A big one and a NL one. The whats called championship now used to be a huge league. It's dwindling away. One top league and £15 maybe ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
