Philip Addison 0 Posted July 22, 2006 Yes Crump was superb. To go almost the entire World Cup unbeaten against the best riders in the world would have been some feat. I can't remember seeing Leigh Adams look so poor for ages. He was so subdued. Sullivan ? Doesn't seem to do it when the pressure is on. Cracking speedway meeting though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 15 Posted July 22, 2006 Ifs, buts, maybe, at the end of the day we are close but we dont have the class of some other sides <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thats what makes it annoying. Our riders gave it there all but our manager slipped up, he missed a chance, it may not have worked, the TS may stil have come last but why not even try it? IF (I know, one of them ) we had won that heat, with about 5 heats to go we'd have been leading, it may have lifted our riders and we'd have possibly got the win. We'll never know and Middlo missed the opportunity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ABS 231 Posted July 22, 2006 Only ONE of them blew it. Many of them cost them points by under performing but one guy actually had the points but threw them away, he had nothing mroe to gain being 1st than he did by being 2nd. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wrong. As an out and out racer Crumpy had the opportunity to go through both meetings unbeaten, which would have been one hell of a feat. He didn't make it, which was a shame for him. Aces fans will never criticise a ride for trying. The Aussie psyche means that coming second is not really different to coming fourth, which is why Crumpy is a winner. It is also why his team mates will not criticise him. He might have been born here, but his determination is 100% Aussie. Just wish team GB had five of his ilk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryW 1,178 Posted July 22, 2006 Wrong. As an out and out racer Crumpy had the opportunity to go through both meetings unbeaten, which would have been one hell of a feat. He didn't make it, which was a shame for him. Aces fans will never criticise a ride for trying. The Aussie psyche means that coming second is not really different to coming fourth, which is why Crumpy is a winner. It is also why his team mates will not criticise him. He might have been born here, but his determination is 100% Aussie. Just wish team GB had five of his ilk The problem here is that Jason forgot he was racing for a TEAM (or even NATION) and NOT for himself. He chose his personal glory ahead of the glory of his entire nation. Would you be happy if he was in second but winning the league for the Aces then decided to go for a personal Max and lost the title for the team??? I think he made a wrong choice there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dekker 239 Posted July 22, 2006 Would you be happy if he was in second but winning the league for the Aces then decided to go for a personal Max and lost the title for the team??? I think he made a wrong choice there. Not the same as tonight, win or lose wouldnt make Oz the champs so can really see what ppl are getting wound up about, aussies wont be too cut up about 2nd or 3rd place..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 15 Posted July 22, 2006 Wrong. As an out and out racer Crumpy had the opportunity to go through both meetings unbeaten, which would have been one hell of a feat. He didn't make it, which was a shame for him. Some times you have to look at the bigger picture. Crumpy didn't. I say this as a Jason Crump fan, someone who'd love to have him in their team and watch him week after week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanTheMan 0 Posted July 22, 2006 at the end of the day, finishing second, third or fourth means nothing, every rider out there wanted to win it, anything other than that doesn't really matter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryW 1,178 Posted July 22, 2006 Not the same as tonight, win or lose wouldnt make Oz the champs so can really see what ppl are getting wound up about, aussies wont be too cut up about 2nd or 3rd place..... It wasn't about the win, but it was about a medal for the nation. It wasn't between 2nd and 3rd, it was about 2nd and nothing. Maybe aussies really are win or nothing, but if I was Trav, I'd be pretty p***** off that Jason threw away my FIM silver medal in an attempt to get himself some personal glory... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spedy 0 Posted July 22, 2006 at the end of the day, finishing second, third or fourth means nothing, every rider out there wanted to win it, anything other than that doesn't really matter <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly!! Infact Crumpie probably did them all a favour by coming off, because at least the Aussie's didn't have to have the slap in the face of standing on the podium whilst the Danes all hugged each other and the 2nd and 3rd teams pretended they were happy to be there!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dekker 239 Posted July 22, 2006 Maybe aussies really are win or nothing, but if I was Trav, I'd be pretty p***** off that Jason threw away my FIM silver medal in an attempt to get himself some personal glory...Most aussies dont like 2nd or 3rd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Subedei 0 Posted July 23, 2006 (edited) The only thing McGowan's got a justifiable cause to be upset about, it's his exclusion in his final heat - Crump scored four times as many points as McGowan. Crump didn't lose the Australians anything - McGowan, Adams and Sullivan are the culprits, if anyone is. Crump kept Australia in the hunt and he was let down by his team mates. Edited July 23, 2006 by Subedei Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dekker 239 Posted July 23, 2006 The only thing McGowan's got a justifiable cause to be upset about, it's his exclusion in his final heat - Crump scored four times as many points as McGowan. Crump didn't lose the Australians anything - McGowan, Adams and Sullivan are the culprits, if anyone is. Crump kept Australia in the hunt and he was let down by his team mates. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> cant see adams as a culprit myself, sullivan looks like the prime one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 15 Posted July 23, 2006 Most aussies dont like 2nd or 3rd. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> At least they have the right attitude. However, I bet they hate 4th even more! What was Crumpy going to gain by getting a maximum? We'd have all said it was typical Crump (scoring another maximum after the 102 he's got already this year ) and said well done and forgot about it. However, had he settled for 2nd, Travis McGowan would have a runners up medal now, better than the nothing he now has. Tonight may have been the peak in Travis' career, if it was, he'll always look back and wonder what if. Crumpy HAD that medal for him. Maybe Crumpy didnt realise the score was so close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dekker 239 Posted July 23, 2006 Lokks like your just stiirring for stirrings sake SCB its a non issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Private Dancer 0 Posted July 23, 2006 I see people are knocking Travis Mcgowan. To me personally i thought the lad was a damn site better than a certain Chris Louis, who was supposed to be the inform man I still say David Norris would of achieved more. Afterall it was his own track for around 10 seasons. The Aussies were let down not by Travis, but by the form of Ryan Sullivan and a normanly outstanding Leigh Adams. The brits need to thank Scott Nicholls for keeping us in there with a shout. Our gating was totally shockingly bad. And needs addressing if we are going to be a World Beater. The Swedes run out of heats/time as they were on the march in those later races. The Danes were a class act, but N.P attitude reminds me of a certain miss piggy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
