Dekker 239 Posted September 23, 2007 Has anyone any idea as to which Finnish side is coming to Edinburgh on Friday and at what other tracks are they appearing? As to the team next friday look 4 posts upwards from yours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tiger Cub 0 Posted September 23, 2007 As to the team next friday look 4 posts upwards from yours. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Whoops, I hadn't noticed that. I thought it was going to be a touring club side. Next question, who are Edinburgh bringing in to replace Laukkanen and Katajisto or have I missed that as well? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted September 24, 2007 So f-s-p is there any young talents in finland ready to break onto the english scene <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This is from the David Nix meeting: Adam Roynon 15 Tero Aarnio 11 Simon Lambert 11Darren Mallett 11 Byron Bekker 10 Benji Compton 9 Jonathan Bethell 9 Mark Thompson 9 Joni Keskinen 8 Scott Richardson 7 Karl Mason 7 Martin Emerson 4 Ricky Scarboro 3 Nathan Irwin 3 Mark Richardson 2 Adam Lowe 1 Wayne Dunworth 0 Says Aarnio was comfortably in second when his chain snapped, in the last bend! Jari Mäkinen would be there already if it wasnt for the BSPA and their dodgy assessed average of 8.00 for him. He will be in Edinburgh and at Workington the next day. Aarnio has a similar assessed average (nothing dodgy there) and has been talking about going over to UK for a couple of years now. Now he's made it, hope something good come's out of it. He was gonna ride for Kings Lynn 2005? before his average was assessed. Everything was set before they realised he would come in on 8.00. We have a few of Katajisto standard or better... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted September 24, 2007 Has anyone any idea as to which Finnish side is coming to Edinburgh on Friday and at what other tracks are they appearing? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Keskinen and Aarnio are at Isle of Wighth today? For an individual meeting. Then at Edinburgh and dont know about the rest. Kaj Laukkanen has been the man behind this meeting at Edinburgh. It's not an official test match and thats probably why it's been said it's a touring Finnish team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattyHart 0 Posted September 24, 2007 So what average do the finnish lads come in on?,8.00 like you mentioned or 5 like katajisto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted September 24, 2007 So what average do the finnish lads come in on?,8.00 like you mentioned or 5 like katajisto <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's directly from the ACU/BSPA rulebook, copypasted to this thread and is a couple of pages before this one. Basically it depends on your riding history. If you've ridden in the Swedish Elitserien or Allsvenskan, Danish or Czech leagues you will be give an 8.00. Katajisto hadn't ridden in any of these, neither had Mäkinen. Aarnio had a history from both the Elitserien and Allsvenskan in Sweden. Mäkinen was given an eight because he's the Finnish U21 Champion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted September 27, 2007 (edited) Just to add to all I have said in this thread, I realised this due to being asked... Feel free to use any info such as stats from this thread. I've made them myself mostly and give them away over here (in Finland) as the truth. Comments here by me are by a fan, I do my "journalism" in a different language and with a different attitude so ask before using them and most certainly these need editing. EDIT: This thread has broken 8000 views, nice. Alltough I still cant understand how German News gets more interest! But it looks like Finnish News is gonna double the posts and triple it's views from last year. Edited September 27, 2007 by f-s-p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostwalker 1,859 Posted September 27, 2007 sorry if this already has been mentioned but i have noticed that Hautamäki have signed a 1+1 year contract with Griparna from Nyköping. Griparna rides in Allsvenskan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted September 28, 2007 Thats nice to hear, I understand he likes the track there. I will see him tomorrow for a chat so this was good info... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,662 Posted September 28, 2007 Thank you for the comprehensive coverage of speedway in Finland, and hope Edinburgh goes well. But I have one question: What happened to LahtiForssa'a last two meetings in the Kapunki Cup. The league table at the end of July shows three matches outstanding, but details of only one more fixture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted September 28, 2007 Thank you for the comprehensive coverage of speedway in Finland, and hope Edinburgh goes well. But I have one question: What happened to LahtiForssa'a last two meetings in the Kapunki Cup. The league table at the end of July shows three matches outstanding, but details of only one more fixture. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Meetings between LF-Kauhajoki and Seinäjoki-LF were left out (never ridden) from the final table. These because of weather and in the end no time. more details to follow. No full results from the KC final yet. Well, it's only been a couple of weeks! How do you get yours? Everything by the minute? WOW!... rubbishe--- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted October 1, 2007 (edited) ATV Speedway Seinäjoki 29.9.2007 (as in AllTerrainVehicles on four wheels) Tommi Niemelä 2222 8 Janne Rantala 1221 6 Jouko Pollari 2210 5 Mikko Koskinen 1d22 5 Tuomo Väli-Torala 2111 5 Jukka Pakkala 111N 3 Tuomo Mäkelä 0002 2 Ville Tammela 0101 2 Mika Katajamäki 000T 0 Erä erältä: 1. Väli-Torala, Pakkala, Tammela 75,81 2. Niemelä, Koskinen, Katajamäki 72,35 3. Pollari, Rantala, Mäkelä 74,76 4. Niemelä, Väli-Torala, Mäkelä 70,96 5. Pollari, Pakkala, Katajamäki 73,67 6. Rantala, Tammela, Koskinen d 73,35 7. Rantala, Väli-Torala, Katajamäki 73,04 8. Koskinen, Pakkala, Mäkelä 73,49 9. Niemelä, Pollari, Tammela 74,29 10. Koskinen, Väli-Torala, Pollari 74,29 11. Mäkelä, Tammela, Katajamäki 79,70 12. Niemelä, Rantala 70,73 Semifinaali: Pollari, Väli-Torala, Pakkala, Koskinen 73,72 Finaali: Niemelä, Rantala, Väli-Torala, Pollari 70,91 Katsojia 98 Edited October 1, 2007 by f-s-p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted October 4, 2007 (edited) The oneoff final of the Kaupunki Cup was staged on the 16th of September at Haapajärvi. Today I received the scorecard and I'm now able to write the heat by heat details. Seinäjoki 61 Joni Keskinen 133333 16 Niko Siltaniemi 32222 11 Rene Lehtinen 33333 15 Mikko Koskinen 22FN 4 Petteri Koivunen 23312 11 Pasi Mattila 3001 4 Kauhajoki 28 Markku Autio 21T2^221 10 Jere Mattila 01013 5 Juho Ruuska 12110 5 Olli Heikkilä 01002 3 Reino Koivuluoma 2N120 5 Erä erältä: 1. Siltaniemi, Autio, Keskinen, Mattila 65,56 2. P.Mattila, Koivuluoma 77,31 (thats 16 seconds off the track record) 3. Lehtinen, Koskinen, Ruuska, Heikkilä 64,48 4. Keskinen, Koivunen, Autio 64,71 5. Lehtinen, Koskinen, Mattila, Autio T 64,63 6. Keskinen, Siltaniemi, Koivuluoma 66,16 7. Koivunen, Ruuska, Heikkilä, P.Mattila 66,61 8. Lehtinen, Siltaniemi, Autio^, Mattila 64,84 9. Lehtinen, Koivuluoma, Koskinen F 65,93 10. Keskinen, Siltaniemi, Ruuska, Heikkilä 65,12 11. Koivunen, Autio, Mattila, P.Mattila 68,36 12. Lehtinen, Siltaniemi, Ruuska, Heikkilä 65,66 13. Keskinen, Autio, Koivunen, Koivuluoma 64,82 14. Mattila, Heikkilä, P.Mattila 71,97 15. Keskinen, Koivunen, Autio, Ruuska 64,75 Crowd of about 90 Kaupunki Cup final table Joukkue___M_____+____/_-_____P Pori_________6_____302__-__244__16 Seinäjoki_____5_____211__-_152___13 Kauhajoki____5_____185__-__179___12 LahtiForssa___4_____155__-__211___9 Meetings_________________A________B_____Aggregate LahtiForssa - Seinäjoki____31-59_____rain_____31-59 LahtiForssa - Kauhajoki____rain_____39-53_____39-53 LahtiForssa – Pori________48-45_____37-54_____85-99 Pori - Seinäjoki__________49-41_____42-51_____91-92 Pori - Kauhajoki__________53-33_____59-34_____112-67 Seinäjoki - Kauhajoki_____58-31_____36-55_____94-86 No aggregate bonuses in the table and the series points system was as idiotic as 3 points for a match winner a 2 for losing Averages after the season Rider..................M...P....H.....Average Rene Lehtinen.....4...57...20...11,40 Jari Mäkinen........5...66...24...11,00 Petri Koskela.......4...45...18...10,00 Kalle Katajisto.....3...40...18...8,89 Marko Suojanen...5...51...23...8,87 Tero Aarnio.........3...31...14...8,86 Joni Keskinen......6...64...29...8,83 Appe Mustonen...7...57...29...7,86 Markku Autio.......6...53...28...7,57 Niko Siltaniemi.....6...48...26...7,38 Timo Villanen.......5...35...21...6,67 Janne Nyman.......4...30...18...6,67 Aarni Heikkilä.......4...38...23...6,61 Petteri Koivunen...7...41...28...5,86 Kalle Kivistö.........3...19...13...5,85 Alexander Edberg...4...36...25...5,76 Tomi Kauppi.........5...18...13...5,54 Roope Mattsson...3...15...12...5,00 Jonne Perälä.......3...12...12...4,00 Juho Ruuska.......4...17...18...3,78 Jouni Viljanen......6...24...27...3,56 Tero Villanen.......4...13...15...3,47 Esa Yrjölä............4...14...17...3,29 J-E Korkeamäki...4...9...12...3,00 Toni Stenberg......3...9...12...3,00 Ari Tuomisto.........4...11...16...2,75 Jere Mattila..........3...8...13...2,46 Mika Vuoristo.......3...6...11...2,18 Olli Heikkilä..........4...9...18...2,00 Johan Ahponen....3...3...10...1,20 Pasi Mattila..........3...4...15...1,07 Juha Mäkelä........2...16...8...8,00 Jani Eerikäinen....2...18...9...8,00 Joni Kitala............2...11...8...5,50 Markku Weckman...2...7...7...4,00 Jonny Korpela......2...3...7...1,71 Benny Johansson.1...14...5...11,20 Teemu Lahti..........1...11...6...7,33 Dennis Dahlborg...1...10...6...6,67 Mikko Koskinen....1...4...3...5,33 Reino Koivuluoma...1...5...4...5,00 Heikki Tapani........1...4...5...3,20 Mika Suojanen......1...0...2...0,00 Jukka Nieminen....1...0...3...0,00 Jani Mäkelä..........1...0...0...0,00 Three meetings to qualify Combined 1207 people paid to see the Kaupunki Cup and that gives an average of 121/meeting. Same figures for the Extraliiga was 2189 giving an average of 182 for the 12 matches. The Finnish season has now finished then. This thread is also close to it's last post's which will include the final reviews of Finnis riders. Edited October 4, 2007 by f-s-p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted October 4, 2007 (edited) Here's the Champioship table form the 80cc Cup. Rider....................Club...........................................Total Jarkko Palmi.........SeMK...16...(-)...20...25...25...25...111 Timo Lahti.............KMMK...20...25...25...(-)...16...20...106 Vili Hautala............KauhjMK...13...10...(9)...16...20...16...75 Tomi Lahti.............KMMK...(11)...16...16...13...13...13...71 Jiri Nieminen..........SsMK...-...-...13...20...11...11...55 Vikke Kuhanen......SsMK...(6)...13...10...11...10...9...53 Mika Loppi.............SeMK...25...20...-...-...-...-...45 Vili Mattila.............KauhjMK...7...-...11...10...7...10...45 Eetu Neuvonen......SsMK...9...9...8...9...6...-...41 Toni Hemmila........SsMK...8...11...-...-...8...-...27 Miikka Hyyryläinen.SsMK...10...-...-...-...-...8...18 Jari Tapani............FMS...-...-...-...-...9...-...9 These are the final averages from the 80 cc meetings in 2007. Seven meetings in total after the team final was crapped because not enough teams wanted to do it. Rider.................M...P......H....average Jarkko Palmi.......5...69...25...2,76 Timo Lahti...........6...82...30...2,73 Mika Loppi...........3...39...15...2,60 Tomi Lahti...........7...66...33...2,00 Vili Hautala..........7...60...33...1,82 Jiri Nieminen........5...39...22...1,77 Toni Hemmilä.......4...25...17...1,47 Jari Tapani...........2...11...8...1,38 Eetu Neuvonen.....5...24...18...1,33 Vikke Kuhanen.....7...38...29...1,31 Vili Mattila............5...25...20...1,25 Reima Heikkilä.....1...5...4...1,25 Miikka Hyyryläinen...2...10...8...1,25 Edited October 4, 2007 by f-s-p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted October 15, 2007 Here's the review of the finnish riders from 2007. I tried to be as objective as I can (isn't always the case )... The riders are in the order in which they finished in the Extraliiga. Juha Hautamäki KEITTIÖPISTE/8/133/47/11,32 The current Finnish Champion and the #1 in averages. Rides in the Swedish Allsvenskan too. Really hard to say how good he would be in the UK but he can challenge anyone here on the Finnish track. Has said that he wont start racing in Britain until he thinks he’s good enough to just go and start scoring straight away. Will that ever happen, who knows. He’s not old yet and has improved a lot in the past few years. Has very good machinery Tero Aarnio KEITTIÖPISTE/7/75/31/9,68 Has talked about becoming a pro for ten years now. He’s good but not that good as someone said to me earlier this year. Has suffered a lot from mechanical problems and that’s about 60-40 his own fault. Got his engines sorted this summer and did well after disappointing start to the season. Will he ever really make it, who knows? Rene Lehtinen KOTKAT/6/67/28/9,57 There something lacking in his performances, since I never see him do anything spectacular. If anything he folds under pressure/is a bit soft as history shows. BUT he finished the Extraliiga as the 3rd in the averages so he has to do something right! His bikes are a bit iffy but he rarely has to stop a heat due to engine failures or other reasons. I think he has bigger plans for himself in longtrack rather than speedway. Tomi Reima KOPPARBERG/7/79/37/8,54 One of our old guard. Good bikes and a solid scorer. Isn’t afraid to ride man-to-man if necessary but I do believe that in the future there will be gaps he will not try to take the advantage of. Jyri Palomäki KOPPARBERG/7/68/33/8,24 See Reima Juha Mäkelä KEITTIÖPISTE/6/41/20/8,20 See Palomäki Teemu Lahti KEITTIÖPISTE/6/44/22/8,00 #2 Prospect for Finnish speedway. Decent bikes, a good gater and has improved his racing. Disappointing season in terms of number of meetings both In Finland and abroad but three national level podium finishes speaks of his talent and level of racing. Jari Mäkinen PAHOLAISET/8/88/48/7,33 #1 Finnish prospect. Has had a very busy season and plans for a busier next season. Dominated the U21 final but missed due to other commitments the other national finals. Good bikes that are only getting better for next season. Joni Keskinen KOTKAT/7/53/34/6,24 Rides well on certain tracks and worse if the conditions arent that good. Is a bit soft if things get tight and that can be seen on first bends regularly. His bikes are ok, if not better. Marko Suojanen PAHOLAISET/7/34/24/5,67 Fast today and 30RRR tomorrow. Has some problems with his machinery and that keeps him at his current level. Kalle Katajisto JOKERIT/3/21/16/5,25 #3 at the prospect list. Havent seen him enough to comment, especially since he’s ridden in the UK after the U21 final here. Good bikes, cant gate (still, I hear but isn't afraid to race) Aki-Pekka Mustonen PAHOLAISET/6/30/23/5,22 #4 prospect. Took big steps this season and started to take points instead of getting them on a silver platter. Bikes are if not crap not far from it but if he wants to he could move up on the prospect list next year. If he only would concentrate his efforts on one motorcycle discipline he could become good in that. Petri Koskela PAHOLAISET/8/47/37/5,08 Rides well at his hometrack. He’s fast when it’s hard and slick and hard to pass, but rarely makes a move himself no matter what the conditions. Jani Eerikäinen JOKERIT/4/19/16/4,75 Improved a lot this season but still isn’t all that good. Suffered a few injuries too. His machinery isn’t that great, but I believe his ambitions are not in speedway either. Timo Villanen KOPPARBERG/4/15/13/4,62 Younger of the brothers. His riding looks like speedway but he’s doing it on a moped. Petteri Koivunen KOTKAT/4/15/14/4,29 1st division standard Joni Kitala HAUKAT/3/16/15/4,27 Don’t know what will become of him. Had a wrist injury in 2005 and stayed away last year. Came back this season and started racing again. Rarely uses full throttle. 1st division standard Markku Autio JOKERIT/6/31/30/4,13 Better than his average shows, rides a factory standard JRM. Under the right training could improve a lot. Mikko Rahko KOPPARBERG/5/14/14/4,00 1st division standard Niko Siltaniemi HAUKAT/8/37/39/3,79 Improved his performance a lot during the season. Is currently on the same straight as Mustonen-Lahti pairing when the chequered flag is wawed. Mikko Koskinen KOTKAT/3/7/8/3,50 1st division standard Aarni Heikkilä HAUKAT/6/21/28/3,00 Has been trying hard but something hasn’t quite clicked yet, that’s why his average is so low. Bikes are OK. 1st division standard Kalle Kivistö HAUKAT/8/16/31/2,06 Looked great in 2006 but then faded as the season was ending. This season wasn’t able to challenge at all, instead kept fading… His bikes are fading too…1st division standard Janne Nyman HAUKAT/5/9/23/1,57 He can race but there’s something lacking. We’ll see next year. 1st division standard Juho Ruuska JOKERIT/6/6/28/0,86 1st division standard. Jan-Eric Korkeamäki JOKERIT/4/3/17/0,71 Gets lapped by Laukkanen at Seinäjoki. Olli Heikkilä JOKERIT/3/1/12/0,33 Gets lapped by Laukkanen at Seinäjoki. Kaj Laukkanen KOTKAT/2/27/9/12,00 you all know him. Vesa Hyyryläinen JOKERIT/1/2/2/4,00 No comment, 1st division rider Markku Weckman HAUKAT/2/4/7/2,29 No comment, 1st division rider Jukka Nieminen JOKERIT/1/2/4/2,00 No comment, 1st division rider Jonny Korpela JOKERIT/1/1/4/1,00 I think he just started speedway this season. Tero Villanen KOPPARBERG/2/1/5/0,80 1st division standard Jouni Viljanen PAHOLAISET/1/0/2/0,00 1st division standard Toni Stenberg KEITTIÖPISTE/1/0/1/0,00 1st division standard Jonne Perälä JOKERIT/1/0/4/0,00 1st division standard Questions could be answered... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
