sandman 0 Posted January 21, 2004 tough call on Zenon or Gollub. Gollub is mighty good,... but i would say.. in his prime.. Zenon would be equal. I dare say if you asked him who he looked up to, it probably would be Zenon or Edward Jancarz.. at that time, they were heroes in their own country. i remember a picture taken in the rain from the european final? at gothenburg maybe in 74 of Zenon on the back wheel in the first third of the corner, great mike patrick photo. plus it was bucketing down with rain. that pic says it all about Zenons ability.. As for Gollubs age, many riders remember the greats as children.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TonyMac 720 Posted January 21, 2004 The thing to bear in mind when trying to compare Plech with Gollob is that Zenon usually rode on compratively sub-standard machinery - he certainly didn't have the quality engines and bikes the top riders from western Europe had at the time. At Hackney, he would not hesitate to ride on the 'track spare' - a pool bike that was supposed to be back-up for all the team's riders. He only ever thought of the team and the fans, not himself or his average. Whereas there were riders who would not go near the spare when their own bike was playing up. With Plechie, he just pointed the bike - any one - in the right direction and grabbed a handful of throttle! Great days at The Wick. All the ability, skill and courage in the world, ZP only lacked top equipment and, it must be said, the level of supreme professionalism and dedication that took the likes of Mauger and Olsen to the very top. Blimey, I'd forgotten about Zabik and Blasczak! Tony McDonald Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WATigerman 1 Posted January 22, 2004 (edited) Blimey, I'd forgotten about Zabik and Blasczak! Zabik won his first ever (at Owlerton - made his debut at Eastbourne) race for the Tigers (I think ! - or am I getting him confused with Rauli Makinen ?). Couldn't speak English but always had a smile on his face. A nice guy. Blasczak - wasn't he nicknamed "Yogi Bear" ?? Edited January 22, 2004 by WATigerman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TonyMac 720 Posted January 22, 2004 Boley Proch at Reading was 'Yogi' - so called because of the Yogi Bear emblem on the front of his Polish club, Zielona Gora's racejacket. I'd love to know what some of these characters are doing now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sandman 0 Posted January 22, 2004 are you the same Tony that John Davis talked into chewing a few pieces of ex lax chewing gum at a meeting years back? This story made the rounds, was it you? If it is true, do you still think it was a crappy trick? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sandman 0 Posted January 23, 2004 aww, he was quite the jokester..at least you didnt get the itching powder poured down the trousers... gotta let bye gones be bye gones.. i am sure there is a good explanation for the gum..He probably thought you could use a good old fashioned clean out.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy moore 0 Posted January 23, 2004 If i remember rightly boley proch was one of peter collins most feared opponents,boley is one of my favourite racers of all time.Anyone know of any photos on the net. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,991 Posted January 24, 2004 (edited) must say i thought even though he was past his best most probably, Jancarz was a great rider when he came over and may have been a World Champ if he had riden in England earlier.but my main memory of the Poles is a test match at Hackney in`74 when England scored 17 5-1`s from 18 races.Ray Wilson`s exclusion stopping them from a clean sweep.That was a polish side that included Jancarz,Plech,Glucklich and Waloszek though Szczakiel was missing though i doubt even the great man would have made much of a difference Edited January 24, 2004 by iris123 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TonyMac 720 Posted January 24, 2004 Sandman, you've drifted off the subject a bit there...but I can confirm that JD didn't succeed with any jokes at my expense, thankyou! Never chew gum anyway -horrible habit! Now what about those Poles... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sandman 0 Posted January 24, 2004 sorry TMC, tis my nature to drift.. seriously, there are very few countries that have produced more determined riders than Poland. now that they have good equiptment, bit of a different story than back then.. damn, its raining again outside, well not like it could rain inside.. unless i had a pipe break,.. is it raining there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest crybaby Posted January 24, 2004 hello, here's the list of all Polish riders in Britain (thanks for Roman Chyla, the author): (Position, Surname, Name, Club, Year, Matches, CMA) 01 JANCARZ Edward Wimbledon 1977 28 9.61 02 JANCARZ Edward Wimbledon 1979 18 9.26 03 JANCARZ Edward Wimbledon 1978 25 8.60 04 PLECH Zenon Hackney 1980 23 8.34 05 JANCARZ Edward Wimbledon 1980 20 8.10 06 JANCARZ Edward Wimbledon 1981 17 8.00 07 PLECH Zenon Hackney 1976 36 7.92 08 PLECH Zenon Hackney 1979 20 7.70 09 CIESLAK Marek White City 1977 34 7.15 10 PLECH Zenon Hackney 1975 4 7.11 11 PLECH Zenon Hackney 1981 27 6.82 12 HUSZCZA Andrzej Leicester 1980 19 6.68 13 WORYNA Antoni Poole 1973 29 6.49 14 PYSZNY Piotr Halifax 1980 26 5.90 15 JANCARZ Edward Wimbledon 1982 14 5.83 16 TKOCZ Andrzej Poole 1979 21 5.82 17 PROCH Boleslaw Reading 1976 29 5.37 18 JANKOWSKI Roman Hackney 1980 30 5.32 19 WORYNA Antoni Poole 1974 36 5.27 20 SLABON Robert Eastbourne 1981 10 5.23 21 JANKOWSKI Roman Hackney 1981 19 5.19 22 PROCH Boleslaw Leicester 1977 10 5.17 23 CIESLAK Marek White City 1978 25 5.16 24 PYSZNY Piotr Halifax 1981 22 5.14 25 JURCZYNSKI Andrzej White City 1978 20 5.05 26 PLECH Zenon Sheffield 1982 11 4.95 27 PROCH Boleslaw Reading 1977 13 4.85 28 REMBAS Jerzy Leicester 1978 30 4.84 29 HUSZCZA Andrzej Leicester/R/H 1981 21 4.72 30 FLIEGERT Dariusz Edinburgh 1992 42 4.62 31 TKOCZ Andrzej Poole 1978 22 4.51 32 REMBAS Jerzy Wimbledon 1981 3 4.40 33 ADAMCZAK Kazimierz Newport 1976 9 4.10 34 ZABIK Jan Sheffield 1980 22 4.16 35 PYSZNY Piotr Poole 1979 1 4.00 36 BLASZAK Eugeniusz Reading 1976 8 3.67 37 REMPALA Jacek Ipswich 1991 17 3.66 38 DRABIK Slawomir Poole 1992 15 3.45 39 GLUCKLICH Henryk Reading 1978 20 2.94 40 TRZESZKOWSKI Jerzy Swindon 1978 11 2.42 41 SZCZEPANIK Grzegorz Leicester 1976 28 2.37 42 OLKIEWICZ Adam Halifax 1976 4 2.33 43 ADAMCZAK Kazimierz Exeter 1976 13 2.23 44 KEPA Marek Eastbourne 1981 3 1.14 45 KAFEL Jozef Eastbourne 1980 5 0.92 46 ADAMCZAK Kazimierz Hull 1976 1 0.00 - RABA Leonard Swindon 1978 5 0.00 - PUK Jan Eastbourne 1980 2 0.00 and the list of Polish riders in Britain from 1998 to 2003: (Surname, Name, Club, Heats, Point, Bonuses, P+B, CMA) 1998 GOLLOB Tomasz Ipswich 151 331 17 348 9.22 PROTASIEWICZ Piotr King's Lynn 116 187 17 204 7.03 1999 GOLLOB Tomasz Ipswich 77 167 5 172 8.94 2000 GOLLOB Tomasz Ipswich 108 248 9 257 9.52 SKORNICKI Adam Wolverhampton 131 162 32 258 5.92 2001 CEGIELSKI Krzysztof Poole 145 283 23 306 8.44 HAMPEL Jaroslaw Ipswich 141 221 32 253 7.18 WALASEK Grzegorz Poole 119 165 27 192 6.45 SKORNICKI Adam W'hampton 77 83 24 107 5.56 JABLONSKI Krzysztof W'hampton 55 57 9 66 4.80 BAJERSKI Tomasz King's Lynn 24 20 4 24 4.00 JEDRZEJAK TomaszBelle Vue 64 52 7 59 3.69 LABEDZKI Adam Belle Vue 23 18 3 21 3.65 2002 HAMPEL Jaroslaw Ipswich 61 104 7.74 SKORNICKI Adam Wolverhampton 71 117 17 134 7.55 ULAMEK Sebastian King's Lynn 125 217 13 230 7.36 PROTASIEWICZ Piotr Peterborough 108 172 17 189 7.00 WALASEK Grzegorz Poole 70 104 9 113 6.46 SLABON Krzysztof Ipswich 107 134 25 19 5.94 STASZEWSKI Mariusz Poole 103 103 16 119 4.62 CHRZANOWSKI Tomasz Poole62 54 13 67 4.32 PIETRZYK AdamKing's Lynn 54 52 5 57 4.22 JEDRZEJAK Tomasz Belle Vue 61 53 5 58 3.80 2003 PROTASIEWICZ Piotr Peterborough 110 222 15 237 8.62 ULAMEK Sebastian Oxford 87 142 10 152 6.99 HAMPEL Jaroslaw Ipswich 81 115 11 126 6.22 SKORNICKI Adam Wolverhampton 115 146 17 163 5.67 SLABON Krzysztof Ipswich 75 93 13 106 5.65 KASPRZAK Krzysztof Poole 90 96 12 108 4.80 best regards, marcin crybaby wolanski Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevH 257 Posted January 25, 2004 I'm being very picky here, but haven't you missed Sebastian Ulamek @ Wolverhampton in 2000? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee Richard 0 Posted January 25, 2004 (edited) And what about Henryk Zyto .... I think thats how it is spelt. He was real crowd pleaser when he came over. oops just realised thats before the `70's .... I had better ring "Help the Aged" for advice on how to concentrate. Edited January 25, 2004 by Lee Richard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,991 Posted January 25, 2004 Thanks for the stats,Crybaby.Statistics arent everything but they underline my opinion that Jancarz(considering he was 30something when he came over was better than Plech,who was much younger.Must also point out that my opinion might be tainted by the fact that Zenon rode for Hackney.Both great riders though! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spin king 1,923 Posted January 25, 2004 Sorry disagree with this Steady Eddie was good, but In my opinion Zenon in his prime was brill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
