mdmc82 2,878 Posted November 17, 2013 will admission prices be lowered now then as can't expect people to pay £17 still Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moxey63 1,785 Posted November 17, 2013 If NL riders only race each other, what good is that? We tried this scheme in 1993 and I can't recall anyone coming through that season with flying colours. I remember, because juniors raced each other only, average calculations were halfed... meaning youngsters couldn't progress out of reserve into the team and stayed racing the same fellas all year, despite some looking to have upt another level and were capable of going against second strings. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orderly 174 Posted November 17, 2013 To make the ruling of 2 National League riders for the Elite League reserve places is ludicrous I can understand the reasoning behind it by giving British riders a chance to improve but the practicalities are out of this world. Most of these riders find it difficult to hold down a Premier League reserve spot let alone an Elite League spot, all that is going to happen is that they are going to lose so many races that their bank balance and their confidence is going take a beating, their heads will drop and there is the possibility that we could lose them to the sport which will result in less British riders available Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Diamond 51 Posted November 17, 2013 I always wanted a rule to help brits that are not potential stars from day 1 but could improve but spots are taken by poor foreigners at reserve. However they seemed to have made a mess of it, it Should have been 1 nl in pl teams to help them develop and maybe get better equipment and experience and hopefully improve. Good example paul Starke waited a long time but took his chance. Then EL have 1 decent pl proven brit like Kerr,Newman,Howarth and Birks and hope they improve with the constabt rides at higher level. Instead system is basically cheap riders as second half but counts as team points that will lose confidence by being thrown in the deep end. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted November 17, 2013 These NL reserves could well benefit from the Sky money if TV comes off. Some of the money could be directed towards these lads equipment to bring them on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdmc82 2,878 Posted November 17, 2013 glad there will now be more meetings. hoping admission prices will be lowered through Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moxey63 1,785 Posted November 17, 2013 These NL reserves could well benefit from the Sky money if TV comes off. Some of the money could be directed towards these lads equipment to bring them on. That's one positive I suppose... I can't see these changes requiring them not to freeze in front of big crowds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted November 17, 2013 glad there will now be more meetings. hoping admission prices will be lowered through Doubt admission will reduce but may well be held at 2013 prices. Great news on 2 home 2 away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike.Butler 601 Posted November 17, 2013 pie in the sky then wanting a £10 sport...i wish i had some answers to the money challenges...but i haven't Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdmc82 2,878 Posted November 17, 2013 Doubt admission will reduce but may well be held at 2013 prices. Great news on 2 home 2 away. yet league watered down and people will pick and choice meetings which will lead to lower crowds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BluTiger 21,701 Posted November 17, 2013 These NL reserves could well benefit from the Sky money if TV comes off. Some of the money could be directed towards these lads equipment to bring them on. Wont happen, never has and never will. Any money will go to the 'top boys' as it always does and always will. That's why the league is in a mess and will only get worse... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glenn 26 Posted November 17, 2013 These NL reserves could well benefit from the Sky money if TV comes off. Some of the money could be directed towards these lads equipment to bring them on. Much more likely to end up in the pockets of the 'Superstars' who ride in the the UK on the 'cheap' Compared to Poland and Sweden - a comment made by a few Elite riders of note! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
salty 2,202 Posted November 17, 2013 So we can think of half a dozen over 20 years that its worked for then , great ! Where did you get the 20 years from? I'm talking about the compulsory junior rider scheme which last for two seasons from 1986. Read the latest Backtrack for full details! Screen and Stoney came along later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arthur cross 492 Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) Using the end-of-2013 greensheet averages (and for the sake of this quick example, transferring Peterborough's top-5 straight over to Leicester), here's how the "top-5 / 32-point-Elite-limit" rule looks ... Belle Vue ... Zagar, Cook, Wolbert, Zetterstrom, Nieminen ... 30.68 giving 1.32 to play with Birmingham ... Smolinski, King, Doyle, Harris, Barker ... 35.61 (keeping Auty as a Brit reduces the total to 32.95 if replacing Smolinski or 33.21 if replacing Doyle so that's still around a point too heavy) Coventry ... Sundstrom, Nicholls, Zengota, Allen, Szczepaniak ... 30.61 giving 1.39 to play with Eastbourne ... B-Pedersen, Woodward, L-Dryml, Nilsson, Gustafsson ... 30.51 giving 1.49 to play with King's Lynn ... Iversen, Korneliussen, Schlein, R-Worrall, L-Bjerre ... 32.99, hence 0.99 heavy Lakeside ... P-Karlsson, Watt, Ulamek, Bridger, Swiderski ... 34.67 (keeping Lawson as a Brit reduces the total to 32.87 if replacing Ulamek or 33.25 if replacing Swiderski so that's still around a point too heavy) Leicester (using Peterborough's figures) ... K-Bjerre, Buczkowski, Kylmakorpi, Hougaard, Fisher ... 34.80, hence 2.80 heavy Poole ... Ward, Hancock, Janowski, Jonasson, Tungate ... 35.07, hence 3.07 heavy Swindon ... Andersen, Kildemand, Batchelor, Kennett, Morris ... 37.09 (Howarth 4.28 and Birks 3.06 reduce the total to 30.28 or 30.32 depending on whether Kildemand or Batchelor is replaced along with Morris definitely being replaced) Wolverhampton ... Woffinden, F-Lindgren, Skornicki, Wells, Miskowiak ... 34.74 (assuming F-Lindgren doesn't return, that makes it 25.80, leaving 6.20 for his replacement) Edited November 17, 2013 by arthur cross Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted November 17, 2013 So the criteria is... British passport previously rode NL but never EL Under 21 ...Cameron Heeps anyone??!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
