TesarRacing 1,825 Posted December 2, 2013 Is that because you can't read? Your'e not expecting a reply to that post are you, Jacques? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david2905 230 Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) Can anyone explain this stupid idea than the Brummies have last pick for finishing top ?, according to the BSPA, Poole were champions, therefore they should have last pick, almost like someone is admitting the play off system is flawed, the point is the best team in the land should have last pick, and according to the current system, that's Poole, so how that can be disregarded now ?. The correct way for decided NL picks should be: 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th Play off semi finalist with least points over two legs Play off semi finalist with most points over two legs Play off runners up Play off Champions It's ridiculous the league system doesn't apply to be crowned champions, but it does to be disadvantaged by picking last. Edit: in Leicesters case, put them 10th and knock everybody below Peterborough in the table down a place. Edited December 2, 2013 by david2905 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeilWatson 1,995 Posted December 2, 2013 Can anyone explain this stupid idea than the Brummies have last pick for finishing top ?, according to the BSPA, Poole were champions, therefore they should have last pick, almost like someone is admitting the play off system is flawed, the point is the best team in the land should have last pick, and according to the current system, that's Poole, so how that can be disregarded now ?. The correct way for decided NL picks should be: 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th Play off semi finalist with least points over two legs Play off semi finalist with most points over two legs Play off runners up Play off Champions It's ridiculous the league system doesn't apply to be crowned champions, but it does to be disadvantaged by picking last. Selections from the list of remaining available riders will then commence in reverse order from the Elite League’s 2013 finishing positions, including the play-offs. Coventry will therefore receive the first pick, followed by Belle Vue, Eastbourne, Leicester (who are deemed to have taken the place of Peterborough), Lakeside, King’s Lynn, Wolverhampton, Swindon, Birmingham and Poole. Clubs who have already selected their own asset at this stage will not make a selection, and there is no requirement to select a rider from the top ten. There will be thirteen riders remaining for the second round of selections, and first pick at this stage will be given to the club which selected the lowest-ranked rider in the first round. As an example, should the first round of selections result in the top ten riders in the list being allocated, the club picking the tenth-placed rider, Tom Perry, would then receive first pick in the second round. Selections continue in reverse order based on the rankings from the first round. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david2905 230 Posted December 2, 2013 Afraid that's as clear as mud Neil (probably the same for many too), are you saying Poole indeed do get last pick ?. I've no objection to the reverse league finishing system being used for positions 10th - 5th, but in the case of the play offs, the order finished in them should be used for the last 4 picks that the order of the top 4 in the table. Also I'd pick Leicester 10th rather than In Boro's position, the step up from PL to EL is tough enough without being treated as the ghost of a club that by rights should have been in the play offs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Leslie 3,213 Posted December 2, 2013 Can anyone explain this stupid idea than the Brummies have last pick for finishing top ?,They don't. Poole have last pick as play-off winners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) Afraid that's as clear as mud Neil (probably the same for many too), are you saying Poole indeed do get last pick ?. I've no objection to the reverse league finishing system being used for positions 10th - 5th, but in the case of the play offs, the order finished in them should be used for the last 4 picks that the order of the top 4 in the table. Also I'd pick Leicester 10th rather than In Boro's position, the step up from PL to EL is tough enough without being treated as the ghost of a club that by rights should have been in the play offs. It is perfectly clear. All you need to do is read. Also, how on earth do you work out that Peterboro 'by rights' should have been in the play-offs. Edited December 2, 2013 by BWitcher 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
500cc 309 Posted December 2, 2013 They don't. Poole have last pick as play-off winners. Correct However, Poole have an option to play their joker and jump up to number 3 for Kyle Newman. It's a special condition to reward those clubs who have put most into junior development (or is it for those who've flashed the most cash !!!) It basically a version of Rider Control (with selected teams opting out). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crump99 4,484 Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) Also, how on earth do you work out that Peterboro 'by rights' should have been in the play-offs. Assume that the reference is to a somewhat suspect SCB appeal & a surfing competition an the zoo which shouldn't have started. Had the points not been withdrawn & Poole taken on a full & motivated Belle Vue on a decent track then it might have been so different? 'by rights' just means the best side for half a season,which wasn't enough when you're riding against the BSPA as well. Thought we'd been over this. Edited December 2, 2013 by Crump99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingbee 510 Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) Assume that the reference is to a somewhat suspect SCB appeal & a surfing competition an the zoo which shouldn't have started. Had the points not been withdrawn & Poole taken on a full & motivated Belle Vue on a decent track then it might have been so different? 'by rights' just means the best side for half a season,which wasn't enough when you're riding against the BSPA as well. Thought we'd been over this. you can't put back time so your argument is floored all ifs and buts Edited December 2, 2013 by kingbee 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crump99 4,484 Posted December 2, 2013 you can't put back time so your argument is floored all ifs and buts That's true which is why it was worded as such but we all know that in reality it isn't floored, it's the wonderful world of Poole must win! Such is life, looks like we're out of that part of the joke at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Leslie 3,213 Posted December 2, 2013 in reality it isn't flooredNo, but it's flawed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMW 533 Posted December 2, 2013 Selections from the list of remaining available riders will then commence in reverse order from the Elite League’s 2013 finishing positions, including the play-offs. Coventry will therefore receive the first pick, followed by Belle Vue, Eastbourne, Leicester (who are deemed to have taken the place of Peterborough), Lakeside, King’s Lynn, Wolverhampton, Swindon, Birmingham and Poole. Clubs who have already selected their own asset at this stage will not make a selection, and there is no requirement to select a rider from the top ten. There will be thirteen riders remaining for the second round of selections, and first pick at this stage will be given to the club which selected the lowest-ranked rider in the first round. As an example, should the first round of selections result in the top ten riders in the list being allocated, the club picking the tenth-placed rider, Tom Perry, would then receive first pick in the second round. Selections continue in reverse order based on the rankings from the first round. Surely if Newman is going to Poole then they don't have a right to pick from the top 10. It's not a case of not having to pick from the top 10 or could they have Newman and then still pick from the top 10? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted December 2, 2013 Surely if Newman is going to Poole then they don't have a right to pick from the top 10. It's not a case of not having to pick from the top 10 or could they have Newman and then still pick from the top 10? Before someone else gets it more wrong, try reading post 333 from Neil Watson. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A ORLOV 8,628 Posted December 2, 2013 What time tomorrow does this pick take place? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted December 2, 2013 Assume that the reference is to a somewhat suspect SCB appeal & a surfing competition an the zoo which shouldn't have started. Had the points not been withdrawn & Poole taken on a full & motivated Belle Vue on a decent track then it might have been so different? 'by rights' just means the best side for half a season,which wasn't enough when you're riding against the BSPA as well. Thought we'd been over this. The only suspect action was the incorrect 'awarding' of pts to Peterboro. You were beaten fairly and squarely on track by Kings Lynn. As for best side for half a season.. so what? Playoffs is for the best 4 teams over the full season. By your own admission that means you were one of, if not the worst side for half a season too. Peterboro finished 7th. End of. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
