Skidder1 7,637 Posted July 16, 2014 Even if Helmsley did listen to any of the constructive fan/rider criticism regarding the track shape, it ain't about to get changed mid-season!!! Even reducing the centre green by a metre or so on the bends will take some time to do and settle enough for racing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMW 533 Posted July 16, 2014 Good grief! Is this for real? Be really funny if it wasn't so painfully deluded. The conclusion is you can all stop going on about track changes because they'll never occur if the 'boss' thinks this is the fact of the matter. One can only assume he's either lost the plot if he thinks the speedway on offer at JRSS is "a feast of exciting racing" (even his more vociferous supporters on here don't argue that for goodness sake!) or alternatively, he's just getting increasingly desperate in his attempts to convince everyone they're wrong and he's right - something he's not immune to believing anyway. Whatever, happens, it's his business, his call and therefore his sword to fall on. If you believe he's right you support him (as obviously some do) and if you don't, then you have no choice but to stay away. He wont change. That's the point I have been making for 3 long long years. Hopefully coming from you it may be taken onboard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ColinMills 1,728 Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) Speedway is a entertainment. are the leicester fans entertained? i been twice, i wouldnt go again, because its not the racing i enjoy. I guess leicester fans are just glad to have speedway back, whats the alternative for them? Edited July 16, 2014 by ColinMills 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lionstigersnotbearsohmy 93 Posted July 16, 2014 Speedway is a entertainment. are the leicester fans entertained? i been twice, i wouldnt go again, because its not the racing i enjoy. I guess leicester fans are just glad to have speedway back, whats the alternative for them? The alternative if you like entertaining speedway is to visit other tracks and avoid BP.......;-) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ColinMills 1,728 Posted July 16, 2014 The alternative if you like entertaining speedway is to visit other tracks and avoid BP.......;-) quite right....but as a business, i would look at whats keeping customers from returning...the stay away if not happy attitude in speedway is the biggest reason people ARE stgaying away 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevec 300 Posted July 16, 2014 Such a shame this track is being slated for lack of racing/passing. It is one of the best tracks for viewing in my opinion and if they could sort the racing it would be a great place to watch speedway 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ColinMills 1,728 Posted July 16, 2014 Such a shame this track is being slated for lack of racing/passing. It is one of the best tracks for viewing in my opinion and if they could sort the racing it would be a great place to watch speedway totally agree, the set up is nice.viewing is very good.shame the main indegrediant lets it down Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrcts 252 Posted July 16, 2014 All tracks can have meetings with little passing but thrilling close racing.That's true,but we get very,very,very,very,very,very little close racing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,824 Posted July 16, 2014 That's true,but we get very,very,very,very,very,very little close racing. You had a few heats on Monday that were close racing through-out. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrcts 252 Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) You had a few heats on Monday that were close racing through-out.Nah,the only close race over 4 laps was the last heat.I go every week and watch every heat and on average you get one close race every 3or 4 meetings. If anybody can provide evidence to the contrary I would be very interested. But saying that I did enjoy the meeting. Edited July 16, 2014 by mrcts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,824 Posted July 16, 2014 Nah,the only close race over 4 laps was the last heat. I go every week and watch every heat and on average you get one close race every 3or 4 meetings. If anybody can provide evidence to the contrary I would be very interested. But saying that I did enjoy the meeting. Yep, so did i, As i have on all my visits to BP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blackadder 280 Posted July 17, 2014 I enjoyed the meeting from leicester yesterday, definitely not a dangerous track at all. Some riders were more skilled than others that's all. Good crowd as well, full marks to leicester. Bates was the victim of a left turner when hit off, his childish reaction was quite funny but he is very young so cut him some slack. His reaction was due to an insult from an Eastbourne rider off camera. Thumping a rider results in a ban; thumping a wall does not but probably hurts more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,784 Posted July 18, 2014 He should have enough self control to not thump anything/anyone. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Al 708 Posted July 20, 2014 His reaction was due to an insult from an Eastbourne rider off camera. Thumping a rider results in a ban; thumping a wall does not but probably hurts more. And costs a packet from having to miss matches because of injury! He's 16, didn't do anything illegal, and hopefully learned from it. Isn't that what this FTD thing's all about!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Al 708 Posted July 20, 2014 Watched the match recently after being away. And read through the comments made on here. One or two posts have mentioned track prep. OK, track shape is the main underyling factor, but that's also a fixed factor while the current promoter is in control and I think the overwhelming view has been well and truly made. I've got a theory about this match! 1. Sky were cacking their pants because they knew, in "normal" circumstances, the entertainment was going to be poor. Knew they had to cover Leicester at some point, but how were they going to handle it? 2. Choose a date where the meeting is "buried" among others. In this case, just after Somerset pairs and British GP, even a Swedish match the next day. 3. Ensure the track is prepared in a way that increases the chances of incidents, to compensate for the low entertainment likely otherwise. My immediate thought, before the match started, was that more material seemed to have been put down than is usual at Leicester, especially from mid-track outwards. This was kind of confirmed by the comments of young Mr Louis, before the start. I can recall past comments on this forum from Glyn Taylor on the subject of how much depth the BP track can safely have (taking into account the dimensions/speeds), and from those posts it's clear there's a fine line between good (safe) and not good (not so safe). I think he's said that beyond a certain depth of material, riders struggle to turn their machines - and i suppose that extends to more chance of two-wheeling, pulling lockers, hitting the deck. I'm not completely sure about this, but when matches are televised by Sky, I think that track prep is, to some extent, taken away from the home club? If anybody has more definite info, please comment! This match certainly had quite a lot of incidents caused by riders getting into trouble, and it was due to the surface. When Iversen set his track records a few weeks ago, he was riding on a billiards table, compared to the track for this match. After Michelsen's accident, I noticed the tractor was out, this time pulling the row of tyres - which i think is normally used to pack the material down. After this, i did think the track was easier to rider, and riders had more confidence to go a bit wider and enter the bends with more speed. Could it be that Michelsen's accident was the "final straw" for the riders, who acted to get the material packed down and therefore make the track safe to ride. In my view, the track in heats 1-10 was possibly unsafe/dangerous. Is an increased possibility of serious injury something that Sky (and speedway promoters, BSPA, and their customers) are prepared to accept, in order to satisfy commercial needs? On the evidence of this match, and the notorious Belle Vue v Poole match in 2013, it looks that way to me. Or am i talking a load of cr#p?? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
