scribbler 213 Posted January 22, 2015 I'm presuming that this is because the BSPA have ignored the UKBA rules for the past couple of years. The BSPA allowed Somerset to use an Aussie at a lower points limit than the UKBA stated last year IIRC. Weren't the BSPA due to have a meeting with the UKBA about this? It appears that the BSPA were more worried about upsetting Somerset than the UKBA and now UK Speedway is paying the price... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,362 Posted January 22, 2015 I'm presuming that this is because the BSPA have ignored the UKBA rules for the past couple of years. The BSPA allowed Somerset to use an Aussie at a lower points limit than the UKBA stated last year IIRC. Weren't the BSPA due to have a meeting with the UKBA about this? It appears that the BSPA2 were more worried about upsetting Somerset than the UKBA and now UK Speedway is paying the price... Ah yes, I think I remember something about that and posting at the time that it was dangerous to try and cheat the UKBA these days. So you could be right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted January 22, 2015 but they are not the only riders affected by this. It also affects holder, batchelor, doyle, ward, north, fricke and woodwardthe first four on the list all average over 7. Fricke is national u21 champion.have woodward or north finished top four in a state competition? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woz01 3,589 Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) the first four on the list all average over 7. Fricke is national u21 champion. have woodward or north finished top four in a state competition? Woodward came 3rd in the Aussie championship in 2013 so I'm sure he will be ok. North came 2nd in the same year. Edited January 22, 2015 by woz01 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Irving 393 Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Clearly more than the BSPA when it comes to working out who is or isn't top class. Letys be honest, theres not a single rider listed in the first post that is "World class" is there? So none of them should have a work permit. Why are we letting in rubbish riders who add very little? Grajzonek and Fisher are the only two close to it. That's a bit harsh isn't it? There may not be any on that list who could currently be labelled "world class", but there's one or two youngsters on there that certainly have the potential to be. I'm not sure the majority on that list "add very little" either. They offer a darn sight more than some of the crap Brits that will have to be shoehorned in to make up the numbers if these guys get refused Visa's! I do agree however that over the years, far too many overseas riders who were clearly not good enough were given Visa's and team places over here at the expense of Brits of a similar standard, that shouldn't have done. Edited January 22, 2015 by Steve Irving 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZODIAK 304 Posted January 22, 2015 That's a bit harsh isn't it? There may not be any on that list who could currently be labelled "world class", but there's one or two youngsters on there that certainly have the potential to be. I'm not sure the majority on that list "add very little" either. They offer a darn sight more than some of the crap Brits that will have to be shoehorned in to make up the numbers if these guys get refused Visa's! I do agree however that over the years, far too many overseas riders who were clearly not good enough were given Visa's and team places over here at the expense of Brits of a similar standard, that shouldn't have done. I suppose Manzares falls in to the "rubbish" category. He's a 20 year old who until last season had never ever ridden in any team speedway, who in his first season reached a very creditable 6+ PL average. He was a joy to watch as well and definitely added something to the PL. If the criteria for qualification on here is correct, he should be fine though as he has a national U21 title on his CV from 2012. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
montie 1,273 Posted January 22, 2015 Did not Jason Doyle have a tier 5 visa, which meant that he could only ride for one club in this country. I know Ty Proctor had to choose between riding for Wolves and Sheffield which would hint that he will be using a tier 5 visa. Maybe this is what the rest will have to do. You cant get any visa without club having sponsor certificate..this its whats been removed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZODIAK 304 Posted January 22, 2015 You cant get any visa without club having sponsor certificate..this its whats been removed You'd expect something will be clarified publically on this issue sooner rather than later. I expect we'll hear something today at some point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paulco 7,080 Posted January 22, 2015 This is such a shame that the visa thing has now escalated to this . Whatever your point of view on the subject , there's no doubt speedway will be all the poorer if this is about the end of the Aussies in speedway over here . They have graced our leagues since league speedway began and it's another nail in the coffin for the sport we all love . 12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humphrey Appleby 13,960 Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) That's a bit harsh isn't it? There may not be any on that list who could currently be labelled "world class", but there's one or two youngsters on there that certainly have the potential to be. I doubt I'd get much leeway if I asked for an Australia visa because one day I'd be really good at my job. It's about the here-and-now. I fully agree that Australians (and Kiwis) should be riding in the UK, but if they're not, it's a consequence of people voting for parties who want to keep immigrants out. Edited January 22, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdmc82 2,878 Posted January 22, 2015 but they are not the only riders affected by this. It also affects holder, batchelor, doyle, ward, north, fricke and woodward Isn't Holders wife British? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Irving 393 Posted January 22, 2015 I doubt I'd get much leeway if I asked for an Australia visa because one day I'd be really good at my job. It's about the here-and-now. You could argue that a fair few of those are already good at their jobs, but just fall short of the "criteria" to now suddenly get a visa. You're good enough to have a visa and ride over here if you averaged 7.00, come on over, but if you averaged 6.99 you're not good enough and stay away? Or is it that if you require a visa and don't have dual nationality/British passport, you won't get one no matter how good you are? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
screm 8,057 Posted January 22, 2015 Isn't Holders wife British? Might be wrong but I don't think Holder is married, of course that might change now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joseq7 363 Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) You could argue that a fair few of those are already good at their jobs, but just fall short of the "criteria" to now suddenly get a visa. You're good enough to have a visa and ride over here if you averaged 7.00, come on over, but if you averaged 6.99 you're not good enough and stay away? Or is it that if you require a visa and don't have dual nationality/British passport, you won't get one no matter how good you are? This is it here...... If this 'above 7 is okay' is correct then.... Kozza Smith on 7.15 is okay but Justin Sedgeman on 6.99 is not okay. This is clearly quite nonsensical. What about the assessed 7.00? Jack Holder, for example. Is 7.01 okay but 7.00 is not okay? Obviously a criteria means a line has to be drawn somewhere. Edited January 22, 2015 by Joseq7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 22, 2015 getting popcorn out and sitting back to watch the fallout on here in the next few days. should be fun ! Yes, it looks like we are going to see some interesting times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
