Woz01 3,589 Posted July 11, 2015 Absolutely, which was always my point. When SKY are in town and the weather is iffy the minimum requirement on all parties is surely to get to Heat 10? The fans in the stadium, the viewers watching and SKY surely deserve that? I don't subscribe to the point that the meeting shouldn't have started however. The track was OK to start with. All efforts should be made by BOTH teams and ALL riders that if a meeting starts they should endeavour to try and get to heat 10 without making the sport look even more ridiculous. It shouldn't have started as the promotion wanted to call it off the morning but wasn't allowed to. That's the issue. If it wasn't on Sky it would've been postponed, there shouldn't be different policies for tv and non tv meetings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,835 Posted July 11, 2015 It shouldn't have started as the promotion wanted to call it off the morning but wasn't allowed to. That's the issue. If it wasn't on Sky it would've been postponed, there shouldn't be different policies for tv and non tv meetings. Call a match off when the track was raceable from heat 1?? No wonder the sport stinks more and more with each passing season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 15 Posted July 11, 2015 Poole got accused at the time for getting it thru to heat 10, nothing wrong with my memory. Nothing to do with yesterday's meeting however. No they didn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Jones 2,128 Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) Call a match off when the track was raceable from heat 1?? No wonder the sport stinks more and more with each passing season. It happens regularly these days. Workington have done it just today. The only difference really is that the Cov - Poole match was on sky, and GSI lied about trying to contact the bees beforehand IMO. Edited July 11, 2015 by Dave Jones 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,835 Posted July 11, 2015 No they didn't. Plenty said it on social media, wrongly. It happens regularly these days. Workington have done it just today. The only difference really is that the Cov - Poole match was on sky, and GSI lied about trying to contact the bees beforehand IMO. No wonder some clubs struggle to get people too attend anymore. Sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brummies_Ste 136 Posted July 16, 2015 THE Speedway Control Bureau have issued the following statement regarding the Coventry v Poole Elite League match that was staged on Monday June 1;COVENTRY v POOLE (Monday 1st June 2015)Coventry Promoters, Mick Horton & Neil Watson attended a Meeting with the Members of The Speedway Control Bureau on Thursday 9th July to answer a charge of not complying to Speedway Regulation SR 4.1.9.This non-compliance arose at the above Meeting, when the Coventry Team Manager, for whom the Coventry Promotion are jointly responsible, instructed the Coventry Riders scheduled to ride in Heat 10, Chris Harris & Joonas Kylmakorpi not to participate.This action had the effect of withdrawing from a Meeting, as the Riders failed to meet the 2-minute time allowance facility on more than one occasion.The SCB Members viewed video footage supplied by the Coventry and also SKY TV footage.Following a long discussion “in camera” the SCB Members agreed that the Fines imposed by the Meeting Referee upon the Team Manager, Gary Havelock and the Riders involved, would stand and in addition the Promotion would be fined £3000.All Parties have a Right of Appeal to the Auto Cycle Union. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve0 5,517 Posted July 16, 2015 THE Speedway Control Bureau have issued the following statement regarding the Coventry v Poole Elite League match that was staged on Monday June 1; COVENTRY v POOLE (Monday 1st June 2015) Coventry Promoters, Mick Horton & Neil Watson attended a Meeting with the Members of The Speedway Control Bureau on Thursday 9th July to answer a charge of not complying to Speedway Regulation SR 4.1.9. This non-compliance arose at the above Meeting, when the Coventry Team Manager, for whom the Coventry Promotion are jointly responsible, instructed the Coventry Riders scheduled to ride in Heat 10, Chris Harris & Joonas Kylmakorpi not to participate. This action had the effect of withdrawing from a Meeting, as the Riders failed to meet the 2-minute time allowance facility on more than one occasion. The SCB Members viewed video footage supplied by the Coventry and also SKY TV footage. Following a long discussion “in camera” the SCB Members agreed that the Fines imposed by the Meeting Referee upon the Team Manager, Gary Havelock and the Riders involved, would stand and in addition the Promotion would be fined £3000. All Parties have a Right of Appeal to the Auto Cycle Union. I can't say I'm surprised with the additional fine for the promotion. However, no reference is even made as to whether the meeting should have started at all and that is the crux of the following actions! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdmc82 2,878 Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) Absolute sham but then no surprise with a member of Poole on the board. Sadly this will not be the last time this happens. Still no answers though to why the meeting was made to go ahead or why they wouldn't inspect the track. Terrible when riders are fined for putting their safety first and yet Redcar gain points by using an illegal RR against Somerset and no action is taken. Shocking Edited July 16, 2015 by mdmc82 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pirate Nick 1,801 Posted July 16, 2015 Absolute sham but then no surprise with a member of Poole on the board. Sadly this will not be the last time this happens. Still no answers though to why the meeting was made to go ahead or why they wouldn't inspect the track. Terrible when riders are fined for putting their safety first and yet Redcar gain points by using an illegal RR against Somerset and no action is taken. Shocking You obviously have never met the man. One of the straightest people I have met within the sport. Always open and honest. You need to get that Poole chip off your shoulder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdmc82 2,878 Posted July 16, 2015 You obviously have never met the man. One of the straightest people I have met within the sport. Always open and honest. You need to get that Poole chip off your shoulder. A lot of Poole fans say the same about Ward don't they. You must see the point, it would be like Fergie voting on a issue between Man Utd & Man City. Hardly Independant is it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JamieE 123 Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) What a joke ruling from the SCB and stinks of penny pinching to me. I assume the £3000 will at least be going to riders benevolent fund? Perhaps Sky should be paying into it too in the aftermath of that meeting, given that they were so keen to get the meeting on and completed in those conditions? Edited July 16, 2015 by JamieE 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Najjer 2,914 Posted July 16, 2015 Terrible when riders are fined for putting their safety first and yet Redcar gain points by using an illegal RR against Somerset and no action is taken. Shocking That was my first thoughts. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted July 16, 2015 THE Speedway Control Bureau have issued the following statement regarding the Coventry v Poole Elite League match that was staged on Monday June 1; COVENTRY v POOLE (Monday 1st June 2015) Coventry Promoters, Mick Horton & Neil Watson attended a Meeting with the Members of The Speedway Control Bureau on Thursday 9th July to answer a charge of not complying to Speedway Regulation SR 4.1.9. This non-compliance arose at the above Meeting, when the Coventry Team Manager, for whom the Coventry Promotion are jointly responsible, instructed the Coventry Riders scheduled to ride in Heat 10, Chris Harris & Joonas Kylmakorpi not to participate. This action had the effect of withdrawing from a Meeting, as the Riders failed to meet the 2-minute time allowance facility on more than one occasion. The SCB Members viewed video footage supplied by the Coventry and also SKY TV footage. Following a long discussion “in camera” the SCB Members agreed that the Fines imposed by the Meeting Referee upon the Team Manager, Gary Havelock and the Riders involved, would stand and in addition the Promotion would be fined £3000. All Parties have a Right of Appeal to the Auto Cycle Union. If the rule were to ride all 15 heats before a result could be called this type of situation would be stopped in an instant. As a neutral I feel sorry for Gary Havelock and Coventry as the meeting should probably not have started or continued bar a few heats. You cant blame Poole for wanting to ride Ht10 as they were following rules and used them to there advantage. The ref said the track was raceable for Ht10 but then called off the meeting immediately. What happened to the track in those three minutes that turned it from raceable to unraceable. Only the ref would know. Coventry should not have been fined another 3000 as they suffered a low gate and had some justification not to ride.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woz01 3,589 Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) Redcar get let off using an illegal rider yet when the Bees manager was worried about rider safety he, 2 riders and the promotion are fined. What about an investigation into what happens for a sky meeting with a poor forecast? It cannot be right that a promotion doesn't have an option to call it off in the morning because it's on Sky, Wolves and Lakeside (?) did because they had the option the Bees didn't have the same option. Why can a promotion only call a meeting off 48 hours before the start of a meeting, it's just scandalous. Just to add the statement made no mention of the word safety. Was there an investigation over the meeting coordinator stating he will inspect the track after heat 9? Once that didn't happen whoever the manager was would have had every right not to send riders out. It's just basic health and safety, someone raises an issue you inspect it. If the inspection had happened then I'd agree Bees riders should have rode but it just did not happen. Safety wasn't the officials 1st priority when it should be everytime. Edited July 16, 2015 by woz01 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdmc82 2,878 Posted July 16, 2015 Redcar get let off using an illegal rider yet when the Bees manager was worried about rider safety he, 2 riders and the promotion are fined. What about an investigation into what happens for a sky meeting with a poor forecast? It cannot be right that a promotion doesn't have an option to call it off in the morning because it's on Sky, Wolves and Lakeside (?) did because they had the option the Bees didn't have the same option. Why can a promotion only call a meeting off 48 hours before the start of a meeting, it's just scandalous. Belle Vue's sky meeting was called off 2 hours before it was due to be shown on sky. This was the only meeting where a 48 hour rule was mentioned but then it seemed to disappear again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
