mdmc82 2,878 Posted August 20, 2015 Why wasn't Adam Ellis warned is a question I would ask also. He jumped starts, twice, then delayed the start a 3rd time before finally being warned. Very good point Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Lady 5,400 Posted August 20, 2015 Just checked the rulebook and it makes no mention of when the injuries occurred. Which makes the moaning irrelevant. Thanks for putting the wording on here. Doesn't change my opinion that the rule is open to manipulation and needs to be worded better. (I am not accusing Coventry BTW) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lino wolf 128 Posted August 20, 2015 Why wasn't Adam Ellis warned is a question I would ask also. He jumped starts, twice, then delayed the start a 3rd time before finally being warned. Ellis was lining up every heat a couple of feet further back from the tapes than every other rider in order to get a rolling start !! Cant believe the start marshall didn't have a word !! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woz01 3,589 Posted August 20, 2015 Thanks for putting the wording on here. Doesn't change my opinion that the rule is open to manipulation and needs to be worded better. (I am not accusing Coventry BTW) King is missing for Ipswich tonight so seems genuine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Lady 5,400 Posted August 20, 2015 King is missing for Ipswich tonight so seems genuine. I never for one moment doubted that King was suffering from his back injury. My problem is with the rules allowing a rider who is clearly not fit being allowed to ride and then being replaced when sense prevails and he finds the "old" injury too painful. I say again I'm not complaining about Coventry using irr (or King for that matter), but the rule itself. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) I never for one moment doubted that King was suffering from his back injury. My problem is with the rules allowing a rider who is clearly not fit being allowed to ride and then being replaced when sense prevails and he finds the "old" injury too painful. I say again I'm not complaining about Coventry using irr (or King for that matter), but the rule itself. I don't get the issue.. so instead they use RR from the beginning which is better for them?? The rule is one of speedways better ones in my opinion. Edited August 20, 2015 by BWitcher 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,096 Posted August 20, 2015 So for all their moaning about injuries Kings Lynn had a stronger team than with their own riders. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrss 691 Posted August 20, 2015 I thought Garritys behaviour in the pit area after his exclusion was terrible. He was threatening to hit fans and arguing with anyone he could. Then Sarjeants mechanic threatened to knock a stars fan out. I know the home fans were being a bit abusive but what does Garrity expect after he wiped Morris out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Jasper 192 Posted August 20, 2015 Fans getting abusive and riders responding has always happened... Dont see the issue. If you give it out, take it back. For instance, I have seen Rory ( as a Coventry rider) get lots of stick from opposing fans and then give it back. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted August 20, 2015 Not sure how it came across on TV but for a sky match I thought it was a good crowd, good atmosphere, programmes sold out, plenty of sponsors there and plenty of controversy. Goes to show you get a top of the table clash people will go! There is still Life in British Speedway ☺to be honest I thought is was a pretty average match with very little passing in the early heats, although Tatum and Pearson continued to big it up. It did liven up after the Harris crash, added to the bit of controversy towards the end. Some riders were saying that the track was slick, but that was understandable considering the weather forecast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdmc82 2,878 Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) Not sure how it came across on TV but for a sky match I thought it was a good crowd, good atmosphere, programmes sold out, plenty of sponsors there and plenty of controversy. Goes to show you get a top of the table clash people will go! There is still Life in British Speedway ☺To be honest, it didn't come across great on TV. The track was very gate and go with races often won from the first bend unless a mistake was made. Gate 1 had a big advantage. I have seen better meetings this year. Kelvin Tatum's view this morning on last nights meeting. Have to say I agree with him: @Kelvin_Tatum: I think King's Lynn were fortunate in some respects last night - Coventry could have pushed them all the way but Heat 12 changed that. The ref made a rod for his own back; no need to exclude James Sarjeant whatsoever. But King's Lynn powered to victory in the end inspired by a wonderful showing from Niels-Kristian Iversen. Edited August 20, 2015 by mdmc82 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob VDS 101 Posted August 20, 2015 There's an interesting slow mo video going around from behind Sarj in heat 12. In it, you can see that Sarj has not moved until the tapes start going up. However, it is also clear that he has started moving when the tapes are still at wheel height for the other 3 riders who are still motionless. Therefore, it would appear that he has gained a small advantage over the others. Maybe the ref had access to this angle / speed. I will try and post it on here but don't hold your breath, I'm not very technical! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted August 20, 2015 There's an interesting slow mo video going around from behind Sarj in heat 12. In it, you can see that Sarj has not moved until the tapes start going up. However, it is also clear that he has started moving when the tapes are still at wheel height for the other 3 riders who are still motionless. Therefore, it would appear that he has gained a small advantage over the others. Maybe the ref had access to this angle / speed. I will try and post it on here but don't hold your breath, I'm not very technical! Fine, so it's an unsatisfactory start and all four back then. As he hadnt moved enough to touch the imaginary tapes and as he had moved the race was stopped before Garrity crashed into Morris. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob VDS 101 Posted August 20, 2015 Only trouble with that as I said before is that the ref wouldn't have been watching Sarj, he'd have been watching the start line. Therefore Garrity was the cause of the race being stopped. The race would probably have run its full 4 laps without that and James may or may not have been excluded then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Fever 274 Posted August 20, 2015 Really? I've seen him pull moves like he did tonight for years. If it's not intentional maybe it's time he called it a day as he's obviously not fully in control of the bike. yep he's been doing it on purpose for years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
