Slovenian Gp Saturday 12th September 2015

[customhouseregular 1,651]

I can't get my head around all this rubbish some people are spouting on here.

 

Greg Hancock is a 3 time world champion & indeed the reigning world champion. Is it not reasonable to assume he will have good machinery tuned to perfection by a top tuner? That could be part of the reason he has those 3 world titles, don't you think? That said, he has struggled to find the right set up for a long time this season, but seems to have done so now & as such is back to the top of his game, which, given he is a thrice world champion, is probably better than the A game most riders can bring to the GP, or indeed any other speedway meeting. You wouldn't think he has won just about every honour in the sport.

 

As for Tai Woffinden, he was the 2013 world champion, so again, it would be reasonable to assume he will invest in decent machinery & have his engines looked after by the best, which is what he does. His bikes are quick, but that is because Peter Johns tunes them exactly the way his customer wants them tuned. That said he couldn't catch Greg (twice) or Kildemand, on Saturday, so not that quick then, huh? Woffinden is the best racer around at the moment & seems to be the complete package, a la Rickardsson, Mauger & Nielsen before him. He is focused & driven, has a settled home life & back up team, including tuner, mentor & pit crew. He is brave, smooth, in control, can gate (sometimes & it's fantastic to watch when he doesn't), has great track craft, can ride slick or grippy, has the best first bend brain in the sport & is savvy enough to know when to go for it & when to settle for what is required. Small wonder he is head & shoulders above the rest.

 

These two guys are both a credit to our sport. They are great at what they do, in different ways. One is a legend already, one, if he steers clear of injury & maintains all of the above that he has built around him, could well go on to break all records.

 

If they both have quick bikes, tuned by one of the best, good for them. It is up to the others to catch them.

 

If any of you think either is cheating, don't hide behind veiled threats of "unnatural speed" (what the hell does that mean anyway?), have the balls to say so. Then prove it.

Well said Dave and 100% right .

[Dave the Mic 258]

 

 

 

 

That is how things go in the sport.You will get "veiled" comments from Tatum and Pearson(I think it was) about Emils engines,which went on for weeks or months when he was going fantastic in the GPs.You will get "veiled" comments about "polish speed" from people in the sport when the Poles are ding really well.Think Stekkers was one ,when Poland beat Denmark in the SWC.These sort of comments have been going on for decades and very very rarely does anyone put the money up to make an official protest.Just veiled remarks.That is how it has been and probably always will be,not just from fans,but more often than not from riders and officials.People(and this often means riders)can't believe that someone else can be so much better than themselves or the rider they favour.

 

Korneliussen was in some paper the other year saying he knew riders were cheating.Did he come out and name any?Did he make any protests at any meetings?I'll leave those for you to answer

 

Yeah, I appreciate that Iris, it just gets my goat.

[New Science 1,059]

It did this weekend i agree but it was only Hancocks second final of the season so hardly a dominating top 2

It just shows how crucial the mechanical side of the sport has become in the GP.,Hancock no finals all year,then finds the relevant engine tune / set up and looks like winning every GP. Edited September 15, 2015 by New Science

[OveFundinFan 4,145]

Cant read anywhere someone is saying cheating is going on - "un-natural speed" to mean "wow he's flying".

[RPNY 608]

On a lighter note, having only seen a few highlights, was it a good GP on the whole? I love the Krsko track, I'm assuming it created some good racing on Saturday?

[Dave the Mic 258]

Cant read anywhere someone is saying cheating is going on - "un-natural speed" to mean "wow he's flying".

Think you're being kind.

On a lighter note, having only seen a few highlights, was it a good GP on the whole? I love the Krsko track, I'm assuming it created some good racing on Saturday?

I would say it was slightly above average. Some good races, many follow the leader. As you may have guessed from the thread - Woffinden had "unnatural speed" & as such, a few of his efforts from the back were top drawer.

[RPNY 608]

Ha, cheers Dave. I saw the semi final pretty spectacular.

[JCookie 753]

This Woffinden fiasco:

 

Go back to having 25-20-18-16 for whoever gets to the final, and then whatever finishers 5th-16th score they keep their points. So, a rider scoring 33333+0, can not score more than the finalists. Stops this "I'm not interested in winning" lark.

 

Secondly, what a p1ss take Woffinden's riding was on Saturday. We get his 'buddy' Hancock is battling Nicki for silver, but for god sake stop team riding Hancock round and then busting your balls to pass Nicki. What a clown he looks trying help out his 45 year old 'bro'. Ridiculous.

 

Nigel Pearson:

 

Stop making out that you're super clever by explaining how to pronounce Kildemand, before then pronouncing Zagar wrong. It was absolutely incredible that he can tell fans that Zagar is pronounced 'Zha-gar' in Slovenia (amazingly where he was born, and by people who speak his language) and then 30 seconds later lapse back to calling him Zagar again.

 

I really wish there was an alternative to him and Tatum in the commentary box, even just alternating or only doing league/GPs. They come across poorly sometimes and although Nigel does a decent job, Tatum is just baffling at times.

 

GPs:

 

Stop picking boring tracks in these places, no-one wants 12 GPs a year spread across GB/Poland/Den/Swe granted, but if you're going to go elsewhere then make the spectacle worthwhile.

[RPNY 608]

I agree on point 1. Point 2 pretty anal. Does it really wind you up to the point you need to talk about it on here? Point 3 totally wrong. Because you don't want 12 rounds doesn't mean everyone or even most dont want 12 rounds.

[Dave the Mic 258]

This Woffinden fiasco:

 

Go back to having 25-20-18-16 for whoever gets to the final, and then whatever finishers 5th-16th score they keep their points. So, a rider scoring 33333+0, can not score more than the finalists. Stops this "I'm not interested in winning" lark.

 

Secondly, what a p1ss take Woffinden's riding was on Saturday. We get his 'buddy' Hancock is battling Nicki for silver, but for god sake stop team riding Hancock round and then busting your balls to pass Nicki. What a clown he looks trying help out his 45 year old 'bro'. Ridiculous.

 

Nigel Pearson:

 

Stop making out that you're super clever by explaining how to pronounce Kildemand, before then pronouncing Zagar wrong. It was absolutely incredible that he can tell fans that Zagar is pronounced 'Zha-gar' in Slovenia (amazingly where he was born, and by people who speak his language) and then 30 seconds later lapse back to calling him Zagar again.

 

I really wish there was an alternative to him and Tatum in the commentary box, even just alternating or only doing league/GPs. They come across poorly sometimes and although Nigel does a decent job, Tatum is just baffling at times.

 

GPs:

 

Stop picking boring tracks in these places, no-one wants 12 GPs a year spread across GB/Poland/Den/Swe granted, but if you're going to go elsewhere then make the spectacle worthwhile.

What an absolute load of old cobblers you spout. If you honestly believe what you say about Woffinden etc, you are off with the fairies. Not a clue. I have just run a spreadsheet with the scoring system you suggest & guess what? Woffinden is 30 points ahead instead of 25, so this "I'm not interesting in winning lark" as you so quaintly put it, makes a huge difference doesn't it? Did it occur to you that he is interested in winning - winning the world title, which, in case you missed it, is what the GP series is all about. Sadly, because of his current condition it cannot happen, but I suspect if you were able to ask Ivan Mauger, the greatest of them all, if he would rather have won 3 GP's but finished second overall, or make the final most times & race the percentage game on his way to winning the world title, I think the answer would be the latter 100% of the time. Team riding - please. And why the highlighting of Hancock being 45 - what differenc does that make? You're a fool,

 

The aim in the GP series is to win the GP series & whether you adopt your scoring system, or the one currently used, Woffinden would win, because he is the best.

 

Agree with you to a point about Pearson, but Tatum has more knowledge in his appendix than you will ever accrue. If he baffles you - mmmm, that speaks volumes.

 

Regarding the GP venues, you suggest what exactly? If we aren't going to have a series across those four nations, where else apart from what we have?

Edited September 15, 2015 by Dave the Mic

[robert72 845]

Just watched super tai on a normal speedway bike tonight and not a special rocket powered one.

[ColinMills 1,728]

Just watched super tai on a normal speedway bike tonight and not a special rocket powered one.

little bit of advice...don't ever go on mastermind and use speedway as your specialised subject!!

[robert72 845]

little bit of advice...don't ever go on mastermind and use speedway as your specialised subject!!

I have forgot more than you would ever know

[ColinMills 1,728]

I have forgot more than you would ever know

clearly!

[Dave the Mic 258]

clearly!

Mmmm!