2016 Euro's - Live On Tv

[mikebv 10,345]

Been a great competition racing wise since inception.

 

Four riders of similar ability in each race is certainly the recipe for great racing as we know..

 

Shame the likes of Cook and Lambert don't get a chance to ride in it..

 

The opportunity to ride on more types of tracks with riders of above average ability must help their progression..

 

Seems crackers that the BSPA won't let them ride as they say it effects Saturday night meetings in the EL. Yet they allow Anderson, KK, Kylmakorpi to ride over here and miss EL meetings on a Saturday night when they ride in it!!

 

British or European, it is irrelevant the nationality of the missing riders. The issue is that they are missing, therefore simply don't plan meetings against teams with SEC participants...

 

(There's plenty of blank Saturdays to work with)!

 

Also, we ban British riders from competing in the SEC because it may effect the Saturdsy EL, yet openly plan in and run fixtures on Fridays before GP's, GP challenges, U21 meetings etc. which mean some teams using four guests!!

 

Strange priorities..

Edited August 7, 2016 by mikebv

[waiheke1 4,295]

Yet they allow Anderson, KK, Kylmakorpi to ride over here and miss EL meetings on a Saturday night when they ride in it!!

 

 

Not true. Clubs get no facility for riders missing due to sec. Or can get a facility in which case the ruder gets a 28 day ban.

Agree would be hugely beneficial for the likes of cook and lambert, but at the same time can see the bspa perspective.

[Fromafar 10,413]

Not true. Clubs get no facility for riders missing due to sec. Or can get a facility in which case the ruder gets a 28 day ban.

Agree would be hugely beneficial for the likes of cook and lambert, but at the same time can see the bspa perspective.

Put it in perspective it's no different to you average EL with guests and riders missing.Up and Coming Brits have to be allowed to enter these Competitions they would still have to qualify for Finals which would be difficult anyway.

[waiheke1 4,295]

Put it in perspective it's no different to you average EL with guests and riders missing.Up and Coming Brits have to be allowed to enter these Competitions they would still have to qualify for Finals which would be difficult anyway.

but people complain about the number of guests and riders missing, people say they will not go when star riders are missing, so why should the BSPA do anything to increase the number of meetings riders will miss from. Which as you point out, is not limited to the SEC finals, but also the qualifying meetings as well. Yes it would be good for young Bitis to take part, but from a BSPA perspective there is probably no real gain - lets' face it, if Lambert becomes a superstart chances are he may end up skipping British speedway altogether - yet certainly disadvantages. And of course if you allow facilities for riders missing for SEC, then what about the pairs. What about other unoffical meetings?

I too would love to see Lambert and Tai in the SEC pairs, and Lambert and Cook in the SEC, BUT the BSPA position is totally understandable.

[Fromafar 10,413]

but people complain about the number of guests and riders missing, people say they will not go when star riders are missing, so why should the BSPA do anything to increase the number of meetings riders will miss from. Which as you point out, is not limited to the SEC finals, but also the qualifying meetings as well. Yes it would be good for young Bitis to take part, but from a BSPA perspective there is probably no real gain - lets' face it, if Lambert becomes a superstart chances are he may end up skipping British speedway altogether - yet certainly disadvantages. And of course if you allow facilities for riders missing for SEC, then what about the pairs. What about other unoffical meetings?

I too would love to see Lambert and Tai in the SEC pairs, and Lambert and Cook in the SEC, BUT the BSPA position is totally understandable.

 

The riders will do what's best for them anyway.British speedway is 2nd rate nowadays and it will be hard to turn it round regarding top riders,we have to take a big step back and promote all our youngsters they are no worse than a number of 2nd rate foreigners that are riding over here.

[Col 862]

Another fantastic spectacle in Daugavpils, if only for the crazy lines the Latvian's were pulling, thought Bogdanovs was harshly excluded in the final. Shame that 3 riders who were not involved in the first event finished in the top 4 at this event, but in some way it is all to play for at the final events with about 10 riders on 18-13 points. It would be hugely beneficial for British riders to be involved and for an event to be held here, the same can be said of the pairs event. I'm sure the riders involved in this would draw a greater crowd to the NSS or Brandon than CL meetings.

 

Would it really hurt the BSPA to grant a guest facility for Cooke, Lambert, Ellis & Bates to compete in these international televised events.

[waiheke1 4,295]

The riders will do what's best for them anyway.British speedway is 2nd rate nowadays and it will be hard to turn it round regarding top riders,we have to take a big step back and promote all our youngsters they are no worse than a number of 2nd rate foreigners that are riding over here.

 

Which Brits do not have an EL place that are worthy of one, and which "2nd rate foreigners" riding EL are they better than?

If you refer to the PL, then I agree more should be done to promote Brits.

 

 

Would it really hurt the BSPA to grant a guest facility for Cooke, Lambert, Ellis & Bates to compete in these international televised events.

 

but if they grant a facility for those riders, you'd also have to do it for the likes of KK, Andersen etc. as well.

Ellis and Bates clearly would have no chance (at this stage) of qualifying for the SEC finals, but agree riding in the qualifiers may be beneficial.

[Fromafar 10,413]

Which Brits do not have an EL place that are worthy of one, and which "2nd rate foreigners" riding EL are they better than?

If you refer to the PL, then I agree more should be done to promote Brits.

 

 

but if they grant a facility for those riders, you'd also have to do it for the likes of KK, Andersen etc. as well.

Ellis and Bates clearly would have no chance (at this stage) of qualifying for the SEC finals, but agree riding in the qualifiers may be beneficial.

 

Iwas really meaning a big step back at PL level.The EL is a joke ,I personally think Zager and Co. are just topping up their earnings some weeks they just don't try a leg .Their best machinery is in GB IMO .

[waiheke1 4,295]

I would say their best machinery is not in GB. But isn't that a good thing? Otherwise the "lesser" riders would be forced to spend more on machinery to compete? People complain regularly about costs being forced up due to the top riders having super tuned machinery, but then when the top riders have comparitively "standard" bikes people complain about that as well!

 

I think people also under estimate how much tougher it is for HL under the current EL format. I'd say the likes of Holder, Zagar, Freddie, Doyle have been good servants to British speedway, even if they do clearly earn much bigger money rising elsewhere.

[OGT 612]

Watched this meeting earlier today and I have to agree with people who say it was the best meeting of the season.

 

Firstly, what a track, even given the weather it rode fantastically.

 

Secondly, what a bunch of racers that field was, some of the racing was utterly bonkers.

 

Thirdly, add firstly to secondly, what's not to like?

[mikebv 10,345]

Not true. Clubs get no facility for riders missing due to sec. Or can get a facility in which case the ruder gets a 28 day ban.

Agree would be hugely beneficial for the likes of cook and lambert, but at the same time can see the bspa perspective.

What's not true?

 

Riders are allowed to miss EL matches to ride in the SEC. KK did it on Saturday..

 

Absolute nonsense planning any meeting when knowingly riders are missing..

 

Absolute nonsense the BSPA ignoring this competition and putting their head in the sand hoping it will go away..

 

This comp now has FIM backing so wont be going anywhere soon I would imagine...

 

Might as well work around it and ensure that each team has its own riders appearing (injuries excepted) each week...

 

Facility for this, facility for that!..

 

Don't plan half the bloody meetings when you know in advance that riders are missing and you wouldn't need facilities!!

 

Seems to be a speedway thing that more time seems to be spent on making loads and loads of supplementary regulations for rules, than focusing on sorting why such things are needed in the first place..

[Col 862]

 

but if they grant a facility for those riders, you'd also have to do it for the likes of KK, Andersen etc. as well.

Ellis and Bates clearly would have no chance (at this stage) of qualifying for the SEC finals, but agree riding in the qualifiers may be beneficial.

 

Coventry rode without Kasprzak regardless. There are very few EL meets on a Saturday. If their PL teams were allowed a facility for rider in the pairs competition & SEC, they could be involved. I am of the the opinion that the the BSPA should find sponsors to fund these riders participation in such events. You cannot tell me that the riders from Germany & Eastern Europe (not including Poland & Russia) can have a greater level of income & sponsorship than our promising youngsters if the BSPA backed them?

[SCB 0]

but if they grant a facility for those riders, you'd also have to do it for the likes of KK, Andersen etc. as well.

Ellis and Bates clearly would have no chance (at this stage) of qualifying for the SEC finals, but agree riding in the qualifiers may be beneficial.

Only allow a facility for ACU permit holders. It can be done.

[RPNY 608]

What a meeting that was. Racing was superb.

[f-s-p 832]

He still needs a FMN license. And it was a FIM Europe event. Not totally sure if you can get just FIM Europe ref license, but Varkaus most certainly "only" got a FIM Europe track license.

There's only one category of international ref's and that FIM. Some just never reach world championship level but stay on (for example) European/continental level. I checked this.