BANANAMAN 330 Posted December 11, 2015 I don't think Matt even attends the AGM but has representatives there for the club. Matt Ford has no need to act in the way you imagine. He is clearly the most professional and experienced promoter out of the lot of them. Some have been in the game longer but don't have their finger right on the pulse, which is needed to be successful in this day and age. It is truly the golden age of Poole Speedway but take heart that it will not last forever. Other clubs have dominated in the past before slipping back into the pack and the same will happen with Poole. Just hope not for a good few years though! Agree with your comments totally Steve .. My only fear that were getting to the stage where its either amalgamation or a three team Elite .. Pirates , Aces & whoever can be arsed anymore ! The Mug Punters will still shell out the hard earned because that's what we do ! , but with a weaker product people get turned off . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
liam 376 Posted December 11, 2015 The reason Kennetts average is below 6 is because he rode as a heat leader. Thus has a bargin average. If he had rode as a second string he'd have a 7.5 average. Watt was a second string all season. Kennett was a heat leader all season. So why is the heat leader not on the heat leader list but the second string is? It's irrelevant how good they are! It's irrelevant who is actually the better rider? Ok then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hamish McRaker 604 Posted December 11, 2015 As has already been pointed out, the origins of this farce is the race format from the past two years. OK - it may have been necessary in the first year of the ELDR scheme, but last year its relevance was highly dubious, and to retain it for a third year is complete madness, especially now that the "draft" is no longer a real draft, and numbers 6 and 7 will have averages with the no.6 able to move into the 1-5. Unless the race format reverts back to the previous one, this ludicrous situation with averages not being "real" is going to be perpetuated, and these idiotic and ham-fisted attempts to give riders a notional status based on cranky non-criteria will just recur each year. I wonder how the 2017 season's HL list will be compiled? The 40 nicest set of kevlars, i wouldn't be surprised. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 15 Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) It's irrelevant who is actually the better rider? Ok then. Yes, because the average should tell you that. What the list should be is anyone who rode as a heat leader has a bargain average due to riding as a heat leader. Now you could sign Harris, Zagar, Morris, North and Karlsson. All 5 rode all meetings as a heat leader (possibly 3 or 4 as second string between them) so have artificially low averages. Where as another team could not sign Zengota, Watt, King, Kylmakorpi and AN Other despite the fact they have only raced 1/5 of the number of meetings as a heat leader and thus have artificially higher averages. Edited December 11, 2015 by SCB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
liam 376 Posted December 11, 2015 Yes, because the average should tell you that. What the list should be is anyone who rode as a heat leader has a bargain average due to riding as a heat leader. Now you could sign Harris, Zagar, Morris, North and Karlsson. All 5 rode all meetings as a heat leader (possibly 3 or 4 as second string between them) so have artificially low averages. Where as another team could not sign Zengota, Watt, King, Kylmakorpi and AN Other despite the fact they have only raced 1/5 of the number of meetings as a heat leader and thus have artificially higher averages.Ok. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted December 11, 2015 It's irrelevant who is actually the better rider? Ok then. Yes, that is the whole point of having a list! You have riders on distorted averages due to the harder/easier rides they have at heat leader/second string. The 'list' was a good idea but has been poorly implemented by people who really don't seem to understand why they needed the list in the first place. HOWEVER... importantly they seem to have got lucky. Yes, Buzckowski (excuse spelling) isn't on the list as a heat leader, but Watt is when he shouldn't be.. so Poole have won one and lost one there so no qualms. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
liam 376 Posted December 11, 2015 Yes, that is the whole point of having a list! You have riders on distorted averages due to the harder/easier rides they have at heat leader/second string. The 'list' was a good idea but has been poorly implemented by people who really don't seem to understand why they needed the list in the first place. HOWEVER... importantly they seem to have got lucky. Yes, Buzckowski (excuse spelling) isn't on the list as a heat leader, but Watt is when he shouldn't be.. so Poole have won one and lost one there so no qualms. Far to complicated for me to get my little head around, a simple sport made complicated by idiots. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,834 Posted December 11, 2015 Far to complicated for me to get my little head around, a simple sport made complicated by idiots. Indeed , let's examine how it will work. Heat leaders supposedly universally selected by all promotions for fairness to all teams and will start as a second string if they aren't in the top 3 of their teams averages making those heat leaders second strings at the start of the year. The BSPA must try harder to ensure we don't understand any logic at all in 2017. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 15 Posted December 11, 2015 Far to complicated for me to get my little head around, a simple sport made complicated by idiots. Exactly that! And the stupid thing is, we'll have the same problems next year because the idiots running the sport have kept the same format. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
liam 376 Posted December 11, 2015 Indeed , let's examine how it will work. Heat leaders supposedly universally selected by all promotions for fairness to all teams and will start as a second string if they aren't in the top 3 of their teams averages making those heat leaders second strings at the start of the year. The BSPA must try harder to ensure we don't understand any logic at all in 2017. Complete shambles.Exactly that! And the stupid thing is, we'll have the same problems next year because the idiots running the sport have kept the same format.Is doesn't bare thinking where the sport will be in a few years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Game On 1,117 Posted December 11, 2015 Complete shambles. Is doesn't bare thinking where the sport will be in a few years. Extinct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,662 Posted December 11, 2015 Exactly that! And the stupid thing is, we'll have the same problems next year because the idiots running the sport have kept the same format. Without the 'idiots' (the promoters) running the sport, there wouldn't be a sport!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hamish McRaker 604 Posted December 11, 2015 Indeed , let's examine how it will work. Heat leaders supposedly universally selected by all promotions for fairness to all teams and will start as a second string if they aren't in the top 3 of their teams averages making those heat leaders second strings at the start of the year. The BSPA must try harder to ensure we don't understand any logic at all in 2017. ......as Sir Humphrey would say to Jim Hacker 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woz01 3,589 Posted December 11, 2015 Without the 'idiots' (the promoters) running the sport, there wouldn't be a sport!! Rubbish! Someone else should be running the sport. You don't get the Man City's owner being chairman of the FA. The system British Speedway has is geared up for self interest and not for the best of the sport. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E I Addio 15,861 Posted December 11, 2015 The reason Kennetts average is below 6 is because he rode as a heat leader. Thus has a bargin average. If he had rode as a second string he'd have a 7.5 average. But if he had a 7.5 average he wouldn't be a second string, he would be a heatleader, even at Poole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
