Gavan 5,050 Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) I cant believe people say it was the right decision. Ok say Dudek lost power like he did and Kildemand was right behind him, literally on his exhaust, and ploughs into him. Surely then the cause of the stoppage is Dudek and not the rider right behind him who had nowhere to go!!!! The only difference here is Kildemand was further back but the cause of the stoppage was Dudek stopping and because he stopped a rider hit him who blatantly couldnt see him. Edited April 5, 2016 by Gavan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,615 Posted April 5, 2016 Hard to blame anyone there imo. Unfortunately someone had to go and it was unlikely to be the Pole... Spot on ..one of those where a ref has to exclude someone due to the rules but would rather not have to do so ,as no one is at fault . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,354 Posted April 5, 2016 If you weren`t watching the Edward Jancarz meeting from Gorzow on Sunday have a look at heat 13 here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoLbppC6IyQ Dudek is in Blue and Kildemand in Yellow- Who should have been Excluded ?? Glad there both ok. Dudek definately.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) Spot on ..one of those where a ref has to exclude someone due to the rules but would rather not have to do so ,as no one is at fault . Of course Dudek is at fault, he's slowed right down bang on the racing line. Not deliberately and technically it was his bikes fault... but he is responsible for his bike. The very fact that other riders had to take evasive action means he has impeded riders and can therefore be excluded for 'dangerous riding'. Edited April 5, 2016 by BWitcher 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,050 Posted April 5, 2016 Spot on ..one of those where a ref has to exclude someone due to the rules but would rather not have to do so ,as no one is at fault . Primary cause of the stoppage. Dudeks bike packing up was the primary reason. Kildemand hitting him was secondary. Without the bike failing the race would have carried on. As i say who would have been excluded if Kildemand was RIGHT behind him and hit him??? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted April 5, 2016 Primary cause of the stoppage. Dudeks bike packing up was the primary reason. Kildemand hitting him was secondary. Without the bike failing the race would have carried on. As i say who would have been excluded if Kildemand was RIGHT behind him and hit him??? Or if one of the riders who had to take evasive action behind him, turned into another one.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted April 5, 2016 Dudek did nothing wrong. He pulled over and raised his hands to signal an ef. Unfortunately Kildemands view was blocked and he didnt see Dudek until it was too late and the crash ensued. The cause of the crash is Dudek, as he stopped racing due to an ef and not Kildemand who was the innocent victim of Dudeks ef. So Dudek is to blame for causing the stoppage, as if he was under power the crash would not have occured. I was watching it live and was disgusted at the refs call. Whether Dudek was still rolling or not he was clearly not under power and therefore the cause of the whole incident. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted April 5, 2016 Dudek did nothing wrong. He pulled over and raised his hands to signal an ef. Unfortunately Kildemands view was blocked and he didnt see Dudek until it was too late and the crash ensued. The cause of the crash is Dudek, as he stopped racing due to an ef and not Kildemand who was the innocent victim of Dudeks ef. So Dudek is to blame for causing the stoppage, as if he was under power the crash would not have occured. I was watching it live and was disgusted at the refs call. Whether Dudek was still rolling or not he was clearly not under power and therefore the cause of the whole incident. 100% correct. Absolutely no other way to call it. It is very dangerous to slow on a straight like that, hence why they put their hand up. As such it was dangerous riding from Dudek, intentional or not and he was the cause. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stoke Potter 242 Posted April 5, 2016 Primary cause of the stoppage. Dudeks bike packing up was the primary reason. Kildemand hitting him was secondary. Without the bike failing the race would have carried on. As i say who would have been excluded if Kildemand was RIGHT behind him and hit him??? Total rubbish. The bike failing did not stop the race. The race would've continued if PK hadn't hit him. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted April 5, 2016 Total rubbish. The bike failing did not stop the race. The race would've continued if PK hadn't hit him. PK hit him because it failed. It's not complicated. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,615 Posted April 5, 2016 PK hit him because it failed. It's not complicated. or that Killer failed to avoid him ...a view that the ref took 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hagonshocker 1,956 Posted April 5, 2016 Well, it was my opinion at the time, and still is, that Kidemand should have been excluded for causing the stoppage and Dudek excluded from the re-run for not being under power at the time of the stoppage. Still not sure how Dudek took part in the re-run. How on earth have you come to that conclusion?...and even more baffling 4 others seem to agree with you! or that Killer failed to avoid him ...a view that the ref took So with it being in Poland quite feasible one day a fan will run onto the track and Kildemand will fail to see him quick enough and hit him?..what happens then??! Total rubbish. The bike failing did not stop the race. The race would've continued if PK hadn't hit him. Talkin crap talking crap.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stoke Potter 242 Posted April 5, 2016 PK hit him because it failed. It's not complicated. And the other 2 managed to miss him even though they were closer than PK. Harsh on PK but ultimately the correct decision, had he not hit him the race would've continued. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E I Addio 15,845 Posted April 5, 2016 Total rubbish. The bike failing did not stop the race. The race would've continued if PK hadn't hit him. The rules require the referee to exclude the rider deemed to be the PRIMARY cause of the stoppage. The first thing in the sequence of events that led to the stoppage was Dudek slowing. That set up the chain of events that followed and therefore must be the PRIMARY cause. Kildemand wouldn't have hit him if he hadn't slowed in th first place, therefore Kildemand hitting him is a secondary cause of the stoppage. Dudek should have gone. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,615 Posted April 5, 2016 The rules require the referee to exclude the rider deemed to be the PRIMARY cause of the stoppage. The first thing in the sequence of events that led to the stoppage was Dudek slowing. That set up the chain of events that followed and therefore must be the PRIMARY cause. Kildemand wouldn't have hit him if he hadn't slowed in th first place, therefore Kildemand hitting him is a secondary cause of the stoppage. Dudek should have gone. Yet again it depends if you think Killer should have hit him .....as others have said if had missed him the race would have carried on ....the ref in this case righty or wrongly thought by killer hitting him that he was the cause of the stoppage not Dudek . as I said it's all about opinions Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
