Matt Fords Vision For The Elite League In 2017.

[Vincent Blachshadow 2,937]

 

Riders sign a contract in which they commit to be at team X's exclusive disposal (for that league) during the length of the contract (usually 1-2 seasons).

Need to make it more complicated then it already is. Possible some riders (like Laguta's, Nicki, Holder, Tai and etc) are expecting a signing bonus

but no rider will get paid when they are not riding, the opposite would be financial suicide by any team.

 

Riders currently sign a contract knowing they will ride in every match. Asking a rider to sign a contract and commit himself to a club he may never be required to ride for (therefore earn nothing) is a different kettle of fish.

Edited July 10, 2016 by Vincent Blackshadow

[Ghostwalker 1,859]

No rider would sign those conditions without payment unless they were desperate and who would want them.

Would you sign to work exclusively for one company without getting paid?

 

 

Riders currently sign a contract knowing they will ride in every match. Asking a rider to sign a contract and commit himself to a club he may never be required to ride for (therefore earn nothing) is a different kettle of fish.

 

Apparently riders are willing to sign for Swedish and Polish clubs without being guaranteed neither payment or riding opportunities.

 

If you look at Masarna, only two riders have ridden in all of Masarna's meetings:

https://ta.svemo.se/Public/Pages/TeamSections.aspx?Branch=Speedway&Season=2016&Serie=Elitserien&PageType=Sections&pagesize=10&TeamId=519

 

The same goes for Rospiggarna (and every other team):

https://ta.svemo.se/Public/Pages/TeamSections.aspx?Branch=Speedway&Season=2016&Serie=Elitserien&PageType=Sections&pagesize=10&TeamId=523

 

Of course riders are not happy to be sidlined for a meeting but they still accepts it since it is better then to not do any meetings at all.

Edited July 12, 2016 by Ghostwalker

[PHILIPRISING 7,298]

 

Riders currently sign a contract knowing they will ride in every match. Asking a rider to sign a contract and commit himself to a club he may never be required to ride for (therefore earn nothing) is a different kettle of fish.

HAPPENS in Poland

[Vincent Blachshadow 2,937]

HAPPENS in Poland

 

So you can see a situation where, using this year's riders, KK would be happy to sign a contract to be Poole's back-up rider (with Andersen and Holder as the regulars) and perhaps never ride rather than signing for Coventry and riding every match and not ask for some form of compo for the earnings he will miss?

Edited July 11, 2016 by Vincent Blackshadow

[Skidder1 7,637]

The MF proposals (still not seen anyone else's except a couple of comments from Chairman Buster about a 6-man racing format) are about a squad system providing more meetings and allowing some of those GP and non-GP riders not currently in the EL the opportunity to do a predetermined number of EL fixtures on one or two fixed days per week.

 

Lindback is quoted in an interview from Saturday that 'he hoped something can be sorted out for him to return to EL'. The same applies to the likes of Magic, Kildermand, Hancock, P.Pawlicki even Pedersen. Amongst the non-GP riders there are the likes of Madsen, Vaculik, Smolinski, Shamek Pawlicki and Sayfutdinov again.

 

If the right financial and logistical details can be sorted out, some riders may well consider dropping one of their foreign leagues where often they are initally attracted by big-money contracts which are not fulfilled or they are not selected for meetings so don't earn!!

 

All is not that rosy in the foreign leagues, so there is a real opportunity for the top British League to get back some of their past kudos.

Edited July 11, 2016 by Skidder1

[ouch 1,191]

Matts saw the 40 meetings we scheduled at the start of the year and wants to emulate that, good on him I say.

Though we'd currently struggle to have another GP rider in the team due to points limits another squad member would be good to keep Zagar on his toes.

We're trying different racedays to gauge response with currently only Tuesday & Thursday not being used this year.

It's all about testing things out and to have Ford on board looking for positive change can only help us.

Onwards and upwards I say.

[Ghostwalker 1,859]

 

So you can see a situation where, using this year's riders, KK would be happy to sign a contract to be Poole's back-up rider (with Andersen and Holder as the regulars) and perhaps never ride rather than

signing for Coventry and riding every match and not ask for some form of compo for the earnings he will miss?

 

That is how it works. KK can only blame himself if agreeing to be a back-up rider instead of signing with another club at which me might have gotten

more riding opportunities.As I said it is down to the riders themselves to decide where they want to ride. If riders X thinks team B's offer (payrate/riding opportunities

) is better then team A's then don't complain if you sign with team A.

Edited July 12, 2016 by Ghostwalker

[theblueboy 960]

 

So you can see a situation where, using this year's riders, KK would be happy to sign a contract to be Poole's back-up rider (with Andersen and Holder as the regulars) and perhaps never ride rather than signing for Coventry and riding every match and not ask for some form of compo for the earnings he will miss?

Because KK is self-employed he is free to pick his club and his rate of payment. That is the preserve of anyone that works for themselves. He would have to determine the risk.

 

If he is not performing well enough he is not selected. No retainer is necessary as he is free to find another club, whether it is here or in Europe.

[Vincent Blachshadow 2,937]

Because KK is self-employed he is free to pick his club and his rate of payment. That is the preserve of anyone that works for themselves. He would have to determine the risk.

 

If he is not performing well enough he is not selected. No retainer is necessary as he is free to find another club, whether it is here or in Europe.

 

So, given that all speedway riders like to earn money - that's why they do it - where are these (#1 standard) stand-by riders coming from?

 

As you say, they'll weigh up their chances and go to where they'll get regular rides, the better ones, that is, if they only get paid when they ride. Would Poole be happy with a 6 point rider as their top stand-by man? I think not, so a payment of some kind will have to be made to secure a good heat leader standard rider is ready to step in when required. It's an opinion, no more than that.

 

The issue of squads has been talked about amongst promoters for some time now but has never happened. If riders were happy to sign for a club and just twiddle their thumbs waiting whilst two other riders were raking in the earnings the promoters would have had nothing to lose so would have gone with it. As I say, just an opinion.

[heathen chemistry 660]

darcy ward said in the SS that he couldnt see many of the top stars riding over here if they had squads

[Skidder1 7,637]

Riders wouldn't be 'twiddling their thumbs' as you put it. They would agree to a prearranged number (and dates?) of meetings. Quite a few of the top riders NOT currently riding in the EL only want a limited number of EL meetings - ideally on set race nights.

 

Those GP riders understandably would want to avoid EL fixtures that interfere with their GP arrangements, but there are more than just a few non-GP riders - some of whom I listed earlier - who would still consider say 10-12 meetings in the EL. Obviously, there may be some difference in abilities between the 'top' riders (eg. Hancock vs THJ; NKI vs Bech) but that would be down to each promoter to select the right mix of squad!!

Edited July 12, 2016 by Skidder1

[heathen chemistry 660]

so ford wants more matches , this years elite is a 28 match format... add challenge or other meetings then playoffs and teams could be involved in close to 35/36 matches

 

he also says he wants one match a week , is that one home or just one match cuz if its one home then there will inevitably be one away aswell meaning 2 aweek meaning riders flyin in out twice sometimes

 

doesnt he think 30 odd a season is enough?

 

more matches means more chance of rain offs , as it is now we struggle to get all matches finished in time for play offs

 

if you look at the fixtures this year teams including poole have gone weeks without a match , they then have 3 in a week that to me is ludicrous

 

so sort the fixtures out first dont go weeks without a match then moan about not enough matches

[Steve Shovlar 10,439]

so ford wants more matches , this years elite is a 28 match format... add challenge or other meetings then playoffs and teams could be involved in close to 35/36 matches

 

he also says he wants one match a week , is that one home or just one match cuz if its one home then there will inevitably be one away aswell meaning 2 aweek meaning riders flyin in out twice sometimes

 

doesnt he think 30 odd a season is enough?

 

more matches means more chance of rain offs , as it is now we struggle to get all matches finished in time for play offs

 

if you look at the fixtures this year teams including poole have gone weeks without a match , they then have 3 in a week that to me is ludicrous

 

so sort the fixtures out first dont go weeks without a match then moan about not enough matches

We have had a 6 week break BECAUSE there isnt enough meetings.That is the whole point from Matt Ford. More meetings not less. To say if we have more meetings there's more chance of a rainoff is just silly. Why not have no meetings so we won't have any rainoffs?

 

We need many more meetings. Riders will not be flying in out in out as the racing should be on consecutive nights. Teams ride home every week and away the next day, or day before. 30 odd meetings is not enough. Thats only 15 at home.

Edited July 12, 2016 by Steve Shovlar

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Top guys say they'll ride over here fi we had squads. We'll get squads and they'll have another excuse. They're all mercenaries (like the rest of us!) who only go to work if the money is right.

[Starman2006 2,355]

We have had a 6 week break BECAUSE there isnt enough meetings.That is the whole point from Matt Ford. More meetings not less. To say if we have more meetings there's more chance of a rainoff is just silly. Why not have no meetings so we won't have any rainoffs?

 

We need many more meetings. Riders will not be flying in out in out as the racing should be on consecutive nights. Teams ride home every week and away the next day, or day before. 30 odd meetings is not enough. Thats only 15 at home.

Ignore him Steve, clearly he doesn't do maths at school.