MattK 3,447 Posted June 3, 2017 It would be interesting to know what average Kildemand would come in on, once the new averages have been issued. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DC2 11,150 Posted June 3, 2017 Why not just bring in tungate for gappmaier when the new averages come out? Because Tungate will stay at 9.03 & Gappy is 5.57 & we won't have 3.46 spare to 42 (assuming 42 is the new limit). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A ORLOV 8,628 Posted June 3, 2017 It would be interesting to know what average Kildemand would come in on, once the new averages have been issued. His performances abroad seem to have suffered since dropping the UK but he is told what to do by Poland. Because Tungate will stay at 9.03 & Gappy is 5.57 & we won't have 3.46 spare to 42 (assuming 42 is the new limit). Do not think it will, he seems to have ridden 4h and 4a and has an average of 5.09 as shown on the bspa table. OK it may not be 100% correct but it is close to what his average will be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DunRobin 465 Posted June 3, 2017 http://www.speedwaygb.co/premiershipstatistics17 I agree with you, I think it will be all eligible meetings, rather than just the first 4H and 4A http://www.speedwaygb.co/premiershipstatistics17 I agree with you, I think it will be all eligible meetings, rather than just the first 4H and 4A Rules quite clearly state 4h & 4a. New averages were intended to come in by May 1st & MC have right to impose new averages if 4h & 4a not reached. Having left it so long, surely it would not be fair to riders who have already reached their 4h & 4a. Rule as below 16.2.7 A SGB Premiership or Championship League rider will establish an MA after 4 Home and 4 Away fixtures, becoming effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting. Should an Established MA not be achieved to be effective from 1st May, then the MC may issue a revised MA, based upon actual rides if the Team re-declares. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattK 3,447 Posted June 3, 2017 Rules quite clearly state 4h & 4a. New averages were intended to come in by May 1st & MC have right to impose new averages if 4h & 4a not reached. Having left it so long, surely it would not be fair to riders who have already reached their 4h & 4a. Rule as below 16.2.7 A SGB Premiership or Championship League rider will establish an MA after 4 Home and 4 Away fixtures, becoming effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting. Should an Established MA not be achieved to be effective from 1st May, then the MC may issue a revised MA, based upon actual rides if the Team re-declares. I think that rule is now obsolete, as many teams have competed more than 4H and 4W without gaining new averages. I think this rule will take precedence: 16.2.6.1 Updated MA’s will be calculated on all eligible meetings, up to and including Monday’s meetings each fortnight for issue on Thursday to become effective from the next Monday. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve0 5,517 Posted June 3, 2017 Regarding the double header at the end of August, I have been trying to understand why since it was announced and I'm still none the wiser! There are so many blank Thursday nights between now and the end of the season (or even our off night of Sunday), why is there a need for a double header? This sport has absolutely no consideration for the fans! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Najjer 2,913 Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) Regarding the double header at the end of August, I have been trying to understand why since it was announced and I'm still none the wiser! There are so many blank Thursday nights between now and the end of the season (or even our off night of Sunday), why is there a need for a double header? This sport has absolutely no consideration for the fans! I'm going to assume because Somerset would be missing Grajczonek and Wright who both ride for 2nd division clubs on a Thursday. It wouldn't be within our interests to go to Swindon missing two riders who rode for the club last season. You can add Cameron Heeps to that list of Thursday tracks in the 2nd tier too. Edited June 3, 2017 by Najjer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) I'm going to assume because Somerset would be missing Grajczonek and Wright who both ride for 2nd division clubs on a Thursday. It wouldn't be within our interests to go to Swindon missing two riders who rode for the club last season. You can add Cameron Heeps to that list of Thursday tracks in the 2nd tier too. Surely Somerset wont agree to this fixture i hope not no more guests please. Edited June 4, 2017 by Sidney the robin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A ORLOV 8,628 Posted June 4, 2017 I'm going to assume because Somerset would be missing Grajczonek and Wright who both ride for 2nd division clubs on a Thursday. It wouldn't be within our interests to go to Swindon missing two riders who rode for the club last season. You can add Cameron Heeps to that list of Thursday tracks in the 2nd tier too. Also many of the Swindon riders also d/u and or ride abroad on different nights so finding an acceptable date is difficult. Nick Morris has recently started riding for a Polish team as well as for one in either Denmark or Sweden and Berwick as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DunRobin 465 Posted June 4, 2017 I think that rule is now obsolete, as many teams have competed more than 4H and 4W without gaining new averages. I think this rule will take precedence: 16.2.6.1 Updated MA’s will be calculated on all eligible meetings, up to and including Monday’s meetings each fortnight for issue on Thursday to become effective from the next Monday. If that is so, why haven't they issued new averages as we are 1 month past the deadline for 4h & 4a. It's my guess that have been bottling it because they are not sure what to do. Rosco says the new averages will be out the day after we have completed our next home meeting on 15/6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A ORLOV 8,628 Posted June 4, 2017 If that is so, why haven't they issued new averages as we are 1 month past the deadline for 4h & 4a. It's my guess that have been bottling it because they are not sure what to do. Rosco says the new averages will be out the day after we have completed our next home meeting on 15/6. So far we have only had 3H and 4A of the matches that averages are calculated on. Rye House will be our 4th home Premiership meeting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted June 4, 2017 If that is so, why haven't they issued new averages as we are 1 month past the deadline for 4h & 4a. It's my guess that have been bottling it because they are not sure what to do. Rosco says the new averages will be out the day after we have completed our next home meeting on 15/6.Neil Watson has indicated on here that averages will be released once all teams have ridden 4h and 4 away.And no, it doesn't make any sense, just another sign that they idioted things up and didnt see the issues that half the bsf saw coming. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g13webb 4,254 Posted June 4, 2017 Neil Watson has indicated on here that averages will be released once all teams have ridden 4h and 4 away. And no, it doesn't make any sense, just another sign that they idioted things up and didnt see the issues that half the bsf saw coming. I've given up trying to understand the logic of BSPA decisions, they apply to make a pigs ear of everything they try and do. Why does everything be so complicated and secretive. Probably the secrecy is only there to save the blushes when the rules are actually known.... Because to the protected heat format of previous years had destroyed the value of the CMA, It was deemed necessary to have a new start. It was agreed to have these fabricated calculations for Elite League riders coupled with Premier league CMA solely to assemble teams to a required level. Once the league has started new figures would be used from the new league matches played so far.. Yeah brilliant idea..... Now all we waited for was the change over date. May 1st would have been ideal, whence all the riders could have been issued with a new and more accurate CMA and been implemented say 7th of the month... It would have made little difference of how many matches clubs had been played, nor who had raced the most times. The new figure would have been far most accurate than those fabricated at the start, and the sooner they were implemented the better..... This 4H and 4A was a rule that was used when assessing new riders and new averages when the league was being run normally... This condition of 4H/4A was not mentioned when these ideas were first aired . It puts a whole new emphasis on the original idea. We are now into June, and by the time these plans are implemented it could well be July. Nearly half the season will be over and we are still working on fabricated averages from a different league...... You couldn't make this up...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hagonshocker 1,963 Posted June 4, 2017 Surely Somerset wont agree to this fixture i hope not no more guests please.They are talking about why we can't rearrange the fixture for a Thursday mate hence the bank holiday double header announced Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,714 Posted June 4, 2017 Neil Watson has indicated on here that averages will be released once all teams have ridden 4h and 4 away. And no, it doesn't make any sense, just another sign that they idioted things up and didnt see the issues that half the bsf saw coming. and Neil's response to my questioning Peterborough redeclaration using 3 riders with original averages (all lower than those due to come into force days later) and others with lower new averages meaning Harris could come in for Hansen was.... 'Theres nothing to see here' move along Peterborough now have a team totalling 42.53 against a 40 limit (Championship doesnt change all year) without having ridden a meeting since redeclaration. That comment sums up the contempt with which 'integrity and transparency' is still viewed at the centre of the sport. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
