Little Thumper 528 Posted October 18, 2016 I would like to see an end to the 'Joker double points', instead I would give the team manager of the team 10 points behind, the choice of gate positions, until they are no longer 10 points behind. It would give the sport greater credibility to the viewing public, and potentially encourage better racing, as the stronger, often home team, may have to come from behind more often. It always reminds me of Jeux sans Frontieres! You half expect Stuart Hall and Eddie Waring to pop up when anybody pulls their joker out. If a team is not good enough to win, then hard luck. Speedway needs imaginative thinking not childish gimmickry. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trees 2,814 Posted October 18, 2016 How many bloody of these threads have we had over the years, I can't be arsed to post on them anymore. Gotta say some promotions are doing most of the stuff that I hoped would help over the years and these promotions seem to be doing well. I hope they share their ideas and positivity at the conference and together with some other initiatives muted lately perhaps it'll be a good year ahead ........ maybe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shale Searcher 1,264 Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) Also, we need to cut loose the the time served draft riders... How? I'm not sure, but cut loose they must be, otherwise they will not develop further in UK speedway, the "draft rider" tag alone, holds them back, wether by the will of "their club" or their "own will" as being in a "safe" "comfortable" zone... They should be promising, inexperienced, young British Riders in the draft, not experienced, "TRUMP CARDS" as some have become, whilst still remaining in the "kids club" end of the team, crikey, there are riders in the draft that are like 20 something's still in yr 2 at school!! Edited October 18, 2016 by Shale Searcher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Thumper 528 Posted October 18, 2016 How many bloody of these threads have we had over the years, I can't be arsed to post on them anymore. Gotta say some promotions are doing most of the stuff that I hoped would help over the years and these promotions seem to be doing well. I hope they share their ideas and positivity at the conference and together with some other initiatives muted lately perhaps it'll be a good year ahead ........ maybe Says a poster who has just posted! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted October 18, 2016 Also, we need to cut loose the the time served draft riders... How? I'm not sure, but cut loose they must be, otherwise they will not develop further in UK speedway, the "draft rider" tag alone, holds them back, wether by the will of "their club" or their "own will" as being in a "safe" "comfortable" zone... They should be promising, inexperienced, young British Riders in the draft, not experienced, "TRUMP CARDS" as some have become, whilst still remaining in the "kids club" end of the team, crikey, there are riders in the draft that are like 20 something's still in yr 2 at school!! 'Promising, inexperienced young British riders in the draft' (if there is one?) should be in the PL. The EL or whatever it might be called in the future is not the place for 'promising, inexperienced riders'!! If the EL is to have any EDRs then it should be limited to just one (as should have been the case when it was introduced) who has had at least two seasons in the PL/NL and who would start at reserve and only be promoted to a 2nd string if proved good enough!! Once the EDR has proved himself capable over 2 EL seasons, he should only then be considered for a permanent EL 1-5 position. If not good enough then he goes back to PL. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Thumper 528 Posted October 18, 2016 'Promising, inexperienced young British riders in the draft' (if there is one?) should be in the PL. The EL or whatever it might be called in the future is not the place for 'promising, inexperienced riders'!! If the EL is to have any EDRs then it should be limited to just one (as should have been the case when it was introduced) who has had at least two seasons in the PL/NL and who would start at reserve and only be promoted to a 2nd string if proved good enough!! Once the EDR has proved himself capable over 2 EL seasons, he should only then be considered for a permanent EL 1-5 position. If not good enough then he goes back to PL. Skidder1, your knowledge of these matters is far greater than mine and I am sure what you say makes perfect sense. But do you not think that all these "complicated" rules are likely to be a real turn-off to potential new supporters and that a clean sheet of paper approach is the only way to go? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,290 Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) Skidder1, your knowledge of these matters is far greater than mine and I am sure what you say makes perfect sense. But do you not think that all these "complicated" rules are likely to be a real turn-off to potential new supporters and that a clean sheet of paper approach is the only way to go? There is always an ultimate irony when it comes to Speedway rules in that they have to make so many to close the obvious loopholes created by the original rules, but that then leaves more needed to close the loopholes that have been created by the rules that should have blocked the loopholes!! (I think!)😀 On another thread the Polish team building rules have been quoted.. Seven men teams. Reserves must be Polish and under 21 years of age. At least four Poles in every team... And errr. That's it... No assessing averages, no PL/EL conversions, no protected race average v non protected race average, no he got this at second string average, got this at heat leader average and got this at reserve average, no mysterious ailments meaning riders miss meetings so their average isn't effected etc etc etc.. The Promoters do all these ridiculous calculations to try and get every team roughly equal at the start of the year but EVERY season at least one team is 30 - 40 points behind the league leaders at the finish!! (And it's always the team everyone on here highlights as 'cannon fodder' when all the teams are announced)... British Speedway..😂 Edited October 18, 2016 by mikebv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Thumper 528 Posted October 18, 2016 There is always an ultimate irony when it comes to Speedway rules in that they have to make so many to close the obvious loopholes created by the original rules, but that then leaves more needed to close the loopholes that have been created by the rules that should have blocked the loopholes!! (I think!) On another thread the Polish team building rules have been quoted.. Seven men teams. Reserves must be Polish and under 21 years of age. At least four Poles in every team... And errr. That's it... No assessing averages, no PL/EL conversions, no protected race average v non protected race average, no he got this at second string average, got this at heat leader average and got this at reserve average, no mysterious ailments meaning riders miss meetings so their average isn't effected etc etc etc.. The Promoters do all these ridiculous calculations to try and get every team roughly equal at the start of the year but EVERY season at least one team is 30 - 40 points behind the league leaders at the finish!! (And it's always the team everyone on here highlights as 'cannon fodder' when all the teams are announced)... British Speedway.. Looks good to me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,290 Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) I would like to see an end to the 'Joker double points', instead I would give the team manager of the team 10 points behind, the choice of gate positions, until they are no longer 10 points behind. It would give the sport greater credibility to the viewing public, and potentially encourage better racing, as the stronger, often home team, may have to come from behind more often.Cycle speedway do something similar... As you say, it would mean more credibility... Maybe though bring back the bonus point for an aggregate win and do away with the four point/three point/two point/one point situation? No Tac Subs allowed at all (or alternatively both teams can use it once each meeting regardless of score so Team Managers can play a part tactically?) with gate positions staying as per programme in both matches... Maybe instead of a £5k winner takes all for one meeting you could pool both meetings money and have a £7500 for the aggregate winners and £2500 for the losers..? Or maybe even a £10k winner takes all!! If you used a previous posts salaries. If £10k was on offer for an aggregate win a Number Five rider would earn £3500 for two matches if his team is successful and a Number One would earn £5000!! Truly performance related pay.. I am sure that would add some spice to every EL encounter!! (Bet there wouldn't be many riders when interviewed on Sky in the pits not knowing the current score like there is now!)😁 Edited October 18, 2016 by mikebv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TonyE 822 Posted October 18, 2016 What I would like is: - after reading the post meeting press release - I am able to say 'that makes sense' 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BANANAMAN 330 Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) I Would like to see a SIMPLE agreed document drafted after the AGM that has been read ,ratified & signed by EVERY clubs promotion.. ! So we the supporters know whose to blame if it all goes t**s up as per OR who to thank for at least trying to save our sport ...That's all . Edited October 18, 2016 by BANANAMAN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ouch 1,191 Posted October 18, 2016 There is always an ultimate irony when it comes to Speedway rules in that they have to make so many to close the obvious loopholes created by the original rules, but that then leaves more needed to close the loopholes that have been created by the rules that should have blocked the loopholes!! (I think!)😀 On another thread the Polish team building rules have been quoted.. Seven men teams. Reserves must be Polish and under 21 years of age. At least four Poles in every team... And errr. That's it... No assessing averages, no PL/EL conversions, no protected race average v non protected race average, no he got this at second string average, got this at heat leader average and got this at reserve average, no mysterious ailments meaning riders miss meetings so their average isn't effected etc etc etc.. The Promoters do all these ridiculous calculations to try and get every team roughly equal at the start of the year but EVERY season at least one team is 30 - 40 points behind the league leaders at the finish!! (And it's always the team everyone on here highlights as 'cannon fodder' when all the teams are announced)... British Speedway..😂 There has always been loopholes in the rule book it's just years ago all the competitors participated with a sporting sense of fair play and realised they were just different departments in the greater company that was British speedway. Any smart arse in possession of low morals could take advantage of these happy souls who had previously been aware of the loop holes but thought nobody would behave in an unsporting way, would they. Then along came self confessed cheat Matt Ford and the rest is (a sorry) history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Thumper 528 Posted October 18, 2016 There has always been loopholes in the rule book it's just years ago all the competitors participated with a sporting sense of fair play and realised they were just different departments in the greater company that was British speedway. Any smart arse in possession of low morals could take advantage of these happy souls who had previously been aware of the loop holes but thought nobody would behave in an unsporting way, would they. Then along came self confessed cheat Matt Ford and the rest is (a sorry) history. Would I be right in assuming that this is, "tongue in cheek"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted October 18, 2016 Can't say ford was the first to exploit loopholes. Got a book ftom the earlyv80s where Ian Thomas says promoters would cone to him and ask him what the loopholes were when they did their team building! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
