stevebrum 6,827 Posted February 15, 2017 The FIM has modified the starting regulations for both the FIM Speedway Grand Prix series and the Monster Energy SWC. Riders who move at the start will be given a warning by the referee and, in a change to the rules, will now be disqualified from a race if they are deemed to have rolled at the tapes at any time during the rest of the meeting. The disqualified rider will be replaced by a track reserve for the heat in question. http://www.speedwaygp.com/news/article/5520/plenty-in-reserve-for-the thoughts on this? Personally I think it's a good idea. Hopefully they will roll it out across all leagues as well. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Lady 5,400 Posted February 15, 2017 Given that many "moving at the start" decisions are hotly disputed, it might have been better had they introduced transponders (think that's what the thing is called) first. Cost would be minimal compared to tuning/engine costs etc especially in the GP series. Other than that it's a good idea. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aces51 2,778 Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) It could be a good idea but not if all those referees are in charge who we now see pulling back prefectly good starts because they imagine someone must have moved. There lies the road to unfair disqualifications, lots of controversy and delays whist riders make their complaints. It's 2017, time for a foolproof system using modern technology which will instantly identify if anyone moves before the tapes are released. Apologies Star Lady for pretty much repeating what you said. That will teach me to break off partway through a post to have a cup of tea. Your post wasn't there when I started. Edited February 15, 2017 by Aces51 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
full-throttle 182 Posted February 15, 2017 shouldn't this be in the GP section as it only relates to FIM sanctioned events. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevH 257 Posted February 16, 2017 shouldn't this be in the GP section as it only relates to FIM sanctioned events. It's news isn't it........and up for discussion for that matter!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,827 Posted February 16, 2017 shouldn't this be in the GP section as it only relates to FIM sanctioned events. I shared it here for discussion with regards it being potential talking points for the leagues to adopt. Have no issue of it being moved if some think it doesn't belong here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trees 2,814 Posted February 16, 2017 Given that many "moving at the start" decisions are hotly disputed, it might have been better had they introduced transponders (think that's what the thing is called) first. Cost would be minimal compared to tuning/engine costs etc especially in the GP series. Other than that it's a good idea. I agree with you SL, transponders would be a better judge of riders moving at the start I would've thought.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,654 Posted February 16, 2017 Theres nothing like penalising fans from seeing top riders then!!? ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Lady 5,400 Posted February 16, 2017 Theres nothing like penalising fans from seeing top riders then!!? ;-) Blame the riders not the law makers. If they didn't try to cheat they wouldn't be disqualified/excluded or whatever other word they are using this season. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronScorpion 1,407 Posted February 16, 2017 Taken from "New Starting Procedures" in title topic The Way Ahead. Posted 16 September 2016 - 03:31 PM A system could be used similar to motor racing. Transponders used to monitor movement, do away with tapes & have an overhead/track canopy 20/25metres down from the start with red lights for ready & then green for go. All the riders are facing forward which eliminates the chance of riders on gates 1 & 4 moving slightly with the riders on 2 & 3 going & getting penalized. They, also, brought in the 2nd line just behind the start line in 2016 to stop riders from rolling back into the groove to roll them forward as the tapes go up. This was hardly ever enforced as you see from the tv clips at all levels of our sport. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted February 16, 2017 At GP and SWC level there really is no excuse for not using transponders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rusky 113 Posted February 16, 2017 At GP and SWC level there really is no excuse for not using transponders. Transponders were trialled a few years ago in conjunction with TAG-Heuer, but they really weren't very successful. There were issues getting them mounted effectively, and consistently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted February 16, 2017 Transponders were trialled a few years ago in conjunction with TAG-Heuer, but they really weren't very successful. There were issues getting them mounted effectively, and consistently.How hard can it be? Motox have been using them for years, decades even. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mac101 1,202 Posted February 16, 2017 They have but they are only used for lap timing really with about 40 riders in a race and mx races last around 20/30 mins and it's used to monitor each lap nothing to do with starts it's pretty hard to jump the starts at Mx as the gates lift up from the ground and all drop towards you at the same time try to jump it your left there with your wheel stuck in the gate 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevehone 3,430 Posted February 17, 2017 this is trouble waiting to happen. as mentioned, the riders that anticipate a start (and don't touch the tapes) will be getting warnings and excluded, big problems with referees where there might not be a tv to watch back, and big problems with supporters getting even more frustrated Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
