norbold 7,153 Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) This make this 1983 particular Cradley Heath team being made-up of all former, current and future World finalists. Whether 11 riders in one meeting is a record I don't know. New Cross v. Wimbldon 31 May 1961 New Cross: Split Waterman, Reg Luckhurst, Doug Davies, Jimmy Gooch, Eric Williams, Leo McAuliffe Wimbldeon: Ronnie Moore, Cyril Brine, Ron How, Cyril Maidment, Bob Andrews Also eleven. Two weeks later, New Cross met Swindon. Same six for New Cross. Swindon had George White, Mike Broadbank(s), Brian Brett and Ian Williams plus Teo Teodorowicz (who made it to reseve for one final but never actually rode). So sort of eleven! Edited June 17, 2017 by norbold Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,118 Posted June 17, 2017 Peter Ravn, also qualified for the 1987 2-day final in Amsterdam as reserve and rode in heat 15 scoring 1 point after Gerd Riss broke the tapes. Thanks for making me feel stupid! I WAS THERE IN AMSTERDAM! I remember that Riss incident - the German fans weren't happy with that decision. Yep, that answers that... Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terry 1,319 Posted June 17, 2017 Thanks for making me feel stupid! I WAS THERE IN AMSTERDAM! I remember that Riss incident - the German fans weren't happy with that decision. Yep, that answers that... Steve Riss didn't even break the tapes, it was Jan O. Pedersen. Mr Magoo was the ref that night! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted June 18, 2017 What were the line ups when Cradley met Birmingham in 83? Belle Vue v Cradley in 83 could have had 11 finalists with Ross mort smith and pc on the Aces side. Or early season aces also had Ravn but not sure the heathens fielded 7 world finalists in those clashes. Didn't Ipswich 83 have sanders sigalos cook and Doncaster? Think there could have been a number of teams heathens met that season with 4 past or future world finalists in their ranks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie B 262 Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) I have listed all matches when Cradley Heath 1983 matches when they used 7 former, current and future World Finalists along with the teams that they were racing against (as long as it 11 World Finalists - to keep the page short as possible). Will 11 World Finalists be the record I don't know yet. if you reply to this post please DO NOT COPY AND PASTE due to its length. World Finalists will be in bold Saturday 7 May Cradley Heath 56, Birmingham 22 (League Cup) Cradley Heath: Phil Collins 11, Erik Gundersen 11, Peter Ravn 9, Simon Wigg 8, Alan Grahame 7, Lance King 6, Jan Pedersen 4 Birmingham Andy Grahame 7, Hans Nielsen 6, John Jorgensen 4, Nigel Sparshott 2, Kent Nore 2, Neil Evitts 1, Mike Wilding 0 Thursday 19 May Wimbledon 35, Cradley Heath 43 (British League) Wimbledon: Dave Jessup 11, Kelvin Tatum 7, Malcolm Simmons 6, Kai Niemi 5, Ari Koponen 4, Roger Johns 2, Mike Ferreira 0 Cradley Heath: Simon Wigg 11, Erik Gundersen 11, Peter Ravn 6, Alan Grahame 6, Phil Collins 6, Lance King 4, Jan Pedersen 1 Wednesday 25 May Away to Poole (British League) Cradley Heath won 51-27 Cradley Heath: Erik Gundersen 12, Simon Wigg 10, Phil Collins 9, Lance King 7, Peter Ravn 5, Alan Grahame 4, Jan Pedersen 4. Poole only had two finalists Michael Lee & John Davis. Saturday 28 May Cradley Heath 45, Reading 33 (British League) Cradley Heath: Erik Gundersen 9, Lance King 9, Alan Grahame 9, Simon Wigg 6, Peter Ravn 5, Simon Cross 4, Phil Collins 2. Reading: Bobby Schwartz 14, Jan Andersson 10, Mitch Shirra 7, Derek Harrison 1, Glyn Taylor 1, Tim Hunt 0, Richard Knight 1. Saturday 4 June Cradley Heath 49, Coventry 29 (British League) Cradley Heath: Simon Wigg 11, Erik Gundersen 9, Lance King 10, Phil Collins 8, Andy Grahame (guest) 7, Peter Ravn 6, Alan Grahame 3. Coventry: Ole Olsen 11, Steve Bastable 9, Tommy Knudsen 6, Sanm Nikolajsen 2, Kevin Hawkins 1, Rick Miller 0. Saturday 25 June Home to Sheffield (British League) Cradley Heath won 56-22 Cradley Heath: Phil Collins 12, Erik Gundersen 11, Simon Wigg 10, Alan Grahame 8, Lance King 6, Peter Ravn 6, Jan Pedersen 3. Sheffield only had one finalists.Shawn Moran. Thursday 7 July Away to Sheffield (British League) Cradley Heath won 46-32 Cradley Heath: Erik Gundersen 10, Lance King 9, Alan Grahame 7, Phil Collins 6, Jan Pedersen 6, Simon Wigg 4, Peter Ravn 4. Sheffield only had one finalists.Shawn Moran. Saturday 9 July Home to Poole (Speedway Star KO Cup quarter final 1st leg) Cradley Heath won 53-25 Cradley Heath: Alan Grahame 12, Phil Collins 9, Simon Wigg 8, Erik Gundersen 7, Peter Ravn 7, Lance King 6, Jan Pedersen 4. Poole only had two finalists Michael Lee & John Davis. Monday 11 July Away to Birmingham (British League) Cradley Heath won 42-36 Cradley Heath: Erik Gundersen 10, Phil Collins 8, Simon Wigg 6, Peter Ravn 5, Jan Pedersen 5, Alan Grahame 4, Lance King 4. Birmingham only had three finalists.Hans Nielsen, Neil Evitts and John Jorgensen. Wednesday 13 July Away to Poole (Speedway Star KO Cup quarter final 2nd leg) Cradley Heath won 43-35 Cradley Heath: Simon Wigg 9, Erik Gundersen 8, Alan Grahame 7, Lance King 7, Jan Pedersen 5, Phil Collins 4, Peter Ravn 3. Poole only had two finalists.Michael Lee & John Davis. Saturday 23 July Away to Halifax (British League) Halifax 13, Cradley Heath 11 (abandoned) Cradley Heath: Simon Wigg 3, Erik Gundersen 3, Simon Cross 3, Lance King 1, Phil Collins 1, Alan Grahame 0, Peter Ravn 0. Halifax only had three finalists Doug Wyer, Kenny Carter and Eric Boocock. Saturday 6 August Home to Poole (British League) Cradley Heath won 57-21 Cradley Heath: Alan Grahame 10, Erik Gundersen 9, Lance King 9, Phil Collins 8, Peter Ravn 8, Simon Wigg 7, Jan Pedersen 6. Poole only had two finalists Michael Lee & John Davis. Saturday 13 August Home to King's Lynn (British League) Cradley Heath won 59-19 Cradley Heath: Lance King 12, Phil Collins 12, Simon Wigg 9, Erik Gundersen 9, Alan Grahame 8, Jan Pedersen 5, Peter Ravn 4. King's Lynn only had two finalists John Louis & Gordon Kennett. Sunday 14 August Away to King's Lynn (British League) Cradley Heath won 47-31 Cradley Heath: Erik Gundersen 11, Simon Wigg 9, Phil Collins 8, Lance King 7, Alan Grahame 6, Peter Ravn 3. Jan Pedersen 3. King's Lynn only had two finalists John Louis & Gordon Kennett. Saturday 20 August Home to Leicester (British League) Cradley Heath won 56-22 Cradley Heath: Phil Collins 12, Erik Gundersen 11, Simon Wigg 10, Alan Grahame 9, Lance King 7, Peter Ravn 5, Simon Cross 2. Leicester only had one finalists Les Collins. Thursday 25 August Ipswich 46, Cradley Heath 32 (British League) ipswich: Billy Sanders 12, Jeremy Doncaster 11, Dennis Sigalos 10, Preben Eriksen 6, Nigel Flatman 4, Andy Hines 3, Carl Baldwin 0. Cradley Heath: Erik Gundersen 9, Alan Grahame 7, Lance King 6, Peter Ravn 5, Simon Wigg 3, Phil Collins 1, Simon Cross 1. Monday 29 August Home to Swindon (British League) Cradley Heath won 53-25 Cradley Heath: Simon Wigg 12, Alan Grahame 10, Erik Gundersen 9, Phil Collins 8, Lance King 7, Peter Ravn 5, Simon Cross 2. Swindon only had one finalists Phil Crump. Monday 29 August Away to Swindon (British League) Cradley Heath won 49-29 Cradley Heath: Phil Collins 10, Erik Gundersen 9, Alan Grahame 8, Simon Wigg 8, Lance King 7, Peter Ravn 5, Simon Cross 2. Swindon only had one finalists Phil Crump. Saturday 10 September Belle Vue 29, Cradley Heath 49 (British League) Belle Vue: Chris Morton 9, Peter Collins 9, Larry Ross 9, Peter Carr 3, Andy Smith 2, Kenny McKinna 0, Louis Carr 0. Cradley Heath: Erik Gundersen 11, Simon Wigg 10, Peter Ravn 9, Lance King 8, Phil Collins 7, Alan Grahame 3, Simon Cross 1. Monday 19 September Away to Reading (Speedway Sta KO Cup semi final 1st leg) Cradley Heath won 46-32 Cradley Heath: Erik Gundersen 11, Alan Grahame 9, Bo Petersen (guest) 7, Peter Ravn 6, Simon Wigg 5, Phil Collins 4, Simon Cross 4. Reading only had three finalists Bobby Schwartz, Mitch Shirra and Jan Andersson. Saturday 24 September Home to Reading (Speedway Sta KO Cup semi final 2nd leg) Cradley Heath won 47-31 Cradley Heath: Erik Gundersen 12, Simon Wigg 8, Phil Collins 8, Alan Grahame 7, Peter Ravn 6, Jan Pedersen 4, Simon Cross 2. Reading only had three finalists Bobby Schwartz, Mitch Shirra and Jan Andersson. Tuesday 27 September Away to Leicester (British League) Cradley Heath won 56-22 Cradley Heath: Simon Wigg 12, Phil Collins 10, Erik Gundersen 9, Alan Grahame 8, Peter Ravn 7, Jan Pedersen 5, Andy Grahame (guest) 5. Leicester only had one finalists Les Collins. Wednesday 28 September Home to Swindon (Midland Cup 1st leg) Cradley Heath won 60-18 Cradley Heath: Alan Grahame 11, Erik Gundersen 10, Phil Collins 10, Peter Ravn 10, Simon Wigg 10, Jan Pedersen 9, Simon Cross 0. Swindon only had one finalists Phil Crump. Friday 30 September Away to Swindon (Midland Cup 1st leg) Cradley Heath won 40-38 Cradley Heath: Simon Wigg 10, Erik Gundersen 10, Alan Grahame 10, Peter Ravn 4, Simon Cross 2, Phil Collins 2, Jan Pedersen 2. Swindon only had one finalists Phil Crump. Thursday 6 October Wimbledon 40, Cradley Heath 38 (Challenge) Wimbledon: Dave Jessup 9, Kelvin Tatum 8, Roger Johns 7, Kai Niemi 5, Ari Koponen 4, Mike Ferreira 4, Malcolm Simmons 3 Cradley Heath: Erik Gundersen 12, Jan Pedersen 7, Alan Grahame 7, Simon Wigg 5, Phil Collins 3, Peter Ravn 2, Simon Cross 2 Wednesday 19 October Away to Coventry (Midland Cup Final 1st leg) Cradley Heath won 40-38 Cradley Heath: Erik Gundersen 11, Simon Wigg 6, Alan Grahame 6, Phil Collins 6, Peter Ravn 5, Simon Cross 3, Jan Pedersen 3. Coventry only had three finalists Steve Bastable, Rick Miller and John Davis. Saturday 22 October Home to Wimbledon (British League) Cradley Heath won 59-19 Cradley Heath: Erik Gundersen 11, Alan Grahame 11, Simon Wigg 9, Peter Ravn 8, Simon Cross 8, Phil Collins 7, Jan Pedersen 5. Wimbledon only had three finalists Dave Jessup, Malcolm Simmons and Kai Niemi. Monday 24 October Home to Coventry (Midland Cup Final 2nd leg) Cradley Heath won 56-22 Cradley Heath: Lance King 11, Erik Gundersen 10, Alan Grahame 9, Phil Collins 9, Peter Ravn 7, Simon Wigg 6, Jan Pedersen 4. Coventry only had three finalists Steve Bastable, Rick Miller and Jan Andersson. Wednesday 26 October Away to Poole (Challenge) Cradley Heath won 46-32 Cradley Heath: Erik Gundersen 12, Alan Grahame 9, Lance King 8, Simon Wigg 7, Peter Ravn 6, Phil Collins 4, Jan Pedersen 0. Poole only had three finalists Mitch Shirra, Sam Ermolenko and Michael Lee. Wednesday 28 October Away to Belle Vue (Challenge) Cradley Heath won 34-43 Belle Vue: Chris Morton 11, Peter Collins 8, Peter Carr 6, Kenny McKinna 3, Andy Smith 3, Larry Ross 2, Louis Carr 1. Cradley Heath: Lance King 10, Erik Gundersen 8, Simon Wigg 8, Alan Grahame 6, Phil Collins 4, Peter Ravn 4, Simon Cross 2. Edited June 18, 2017 by Robbie B 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie B 262 Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) Monday 10 October in a Challenge Match between Birmingham and Cradley Heath when Cradley only used six riders but more interestingly 12 World finalists were on show in the meeting. Birmingham 23 Hans Nielsen 9, Rick Miller (guest) 7, Andy Grahame 4, Neil Evitts 2, Bruce Cribb 1, Steve Bastable 0, Petr Ondrasik 0 Cradley Heath 55 Phil Collins 12, Erik Gundersen 11, Alan Grahame 11, Simon Wigg 10, Peter Ravn 6, Jan Pedersen 5 Bruce Cribb, did qualify as reserve in the 1978 World ice Speedway Individual Final representing Great Britain, and the 1979 World Team Cup Final for New Zealand. Many thanks to iris123 for pointing out that Bruce qualified for the 1988 World Ice Speedway Final in Eindhoven. Edited June 18, 2017 by Robbie B Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 21,044 Posted June 18, 2017 Monday 10 October in a Challenge Match between Birmingham and Cradley Heath when Cradley only used six riders but more interestingly 12 World finalists were on show in the meeting. Birmingham 23 Hans Nielsen 9, Rick Miller (guest) 7, Andy Grahame 4, Neil Evitts 2, Bruce Cribb 1, Steve Bastable 0, Petr Ondrasik 0 Cradley Heath 55 Phil Collins 12, Erik Gundersen 11, Alan Grahame 11, Simon Wigg 10, Peter Ravn 6, Jan Pedersen 5 Bruce Cribb, did qualify as reserve in the 1978 World ice Speedway Individual Final representing Great Britain, and the 1979 World Team Cup Final for New Zealand. Bruce qualified outright for the 1988 World Ice Speedway Final in Eindhoven.You can see him on the parade behind the England banner and around 15 minutes he finishes in 3rd place in one heat.Sure you can find more of him throughout https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7lotyYN9a0 http://www.speedway-yesterday.de/html/body_eisspeedway-einzel.html 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie B 262 Posted June 18, 2017 Bruce qualified outright for the 1988 World Ice Speedway Final in Eindhoven.You can see him on the parade behind the England banner and around 15 minutes he finishes in 3rd place in one heat.Sure you can find more of him throughout https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7lotyYN9a0 http://www.speedway-yesterday.de/html/body_eisspeedway-einzel.html T forgot all about that one, after typing all the above. Many thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted June 18, 2017 Great work Robbie B. Though if we use the OPs criteria we have to exclude andy Grahame, Bastable and Eriksen 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatface 2,561 Posted June 19, 2017 Monday 10 October in a Challenge Match between Birmingham and Cradley Heath when Cradley only used six riders but more interestingly 12 World finalists were on show in the meeting. Birmingham 23 Hans Nielsen 9, Rick Miller (guest) 7, Andy Grahame 4, Neil Evitts 2, Bruce Cribb 1, Steve Bastable 0, Petr Ondrasik 0 Cradley Heath 55 Phil Collins 12, Erik Gundersen 11, Alan Grahame 11, Simon Wigg 10, Peter Ravn 6, Jan Pedersen 5 Bruce Cribb, did qualify as reserve in the 1978 World ice Speedway Individual Final representing Great Britain, and the 1979 World Team Cup Final for New Zealand. Many thanks to iris123 for pointing out that Bruce qualified for the 1988 World Ice Speedway Final in Eindhoven. Interesting stuff. The Bruce Cribb/Ice Final is a bit of a segway. But I'll happily jump on board. It got me thinking about teams with World Speedway, World Long-Track and World Ice Speedway Champions all in the same team. From my dusty brain, I got Poole 1983 with Lee, Ermolenko, Stenlund. Can anyone match or beat that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,118 Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) Interesting stuff. The Bruce Cribb/Ice Final is a bit of a segway. But I'll happily jump on board. It got me thinking about teams with World Speedway, World Long-Track and World Ice Speedway Champions all in the same team. From my dusty brain, I got Poole 1983 with Lee, Ermolenko, Stenlund. Can anyone match or beat that? Well, seeing that Stenlund and Milan Spinka were the only ice-racing champs to ride in Britain, that does narrow it down! Steve Edited June 19, 2017 by chunky 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie B 262 Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) In Wimbledon's team in 1957 and 1958 their was Ronnie Moore, Barry Briggs and Ivan Mauger. On Tuesday 16 September 1958 in a challenge match away against Southampton they all rode together in the same team. And again at home against Oxford in a National League match on Monday 22 September 1958. Also in both of these matches was future World Pairs Champion Bob Andrews. Edited June 19, 2017 by Robbie B Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
