Poole v Belle Vue SGB Premiership A. 11th April 2018

[Aces51 2,778]

3 minutes ago, geoff100 said:

Anyone in manchester say what weather is doing thinking of coming from  cumbria tonight?

I think you might want the BV v King's Lynn thread but the weather is ok at the moment but rain forecast from 6, 8 or 9 o'clock depending on which forecast you look at. The track usually holds up so long as it's not too heavy and doesn't affect visibility too much so maybe worth taking a chance.

[Bleeds Pirate Blue 192]

Steve Worrall - easily as good around Wimborne Road as Darcy Ward in his pomp, because he once scored 16 there. I'll make note he is a 10.00+ now when riding at Poole...

Gavan up to his usual tricks - everything is black and white and he is 100% certain based on his use of statistics. Well Gavan, as Ben Disraeli once said, there are three types of lies, "lies, damn lies and statistics". You are a true cherry-picker when it comes to your stats. And blinkered to say the least. And a few other things beside that! Why not take a more even-handed approach when having a discussion in a public forum? Maybe then you'll get the conversation you supposedly want? Instead of deliberately provocative statements. 

As for Steve and his predictions - you don't have to be a mind reader to understand what he means most the time (long-term optimist, short-term pessimist!). But several of you will do all sort of mental gymnastics to have a pop at him. It's the same people every single time. Wonder why? Perhaps its a grudge between posters, rather than an issue with the content at hand?

Anyways, Poole are short price favs to win the league and it's generally accepted that they have the strongest team. No-one in their right mind thinks Poole will win every match. It will likely take a few matches for the newest imports to get to grips with the UK setups. It will be a shock to see the Pirates drop points at home this year, and they should have moderate success on their travels. Ipswich 1998 they are not!!!!

[Starman2006 2,354]

49 minutes ago, Gavan said:

They may go r/r but the loss of Worrall is huge

Granted it definately is.

[Starman2006 2,354]

8 minutes ago, Bleeds Pirate Blue said:

Steve Worrall - easily as good around Wimborne Road as Darcy Ward in his pomp, because he once scored 16 there. I'll make note he is a 10.00+ now when riding at Poole...

Gavan up to his usual tricks - everything is black and white and he is 100% certain based on his use of statistics. Well Gavan, as Ben Disraeli once said, there are three types of lies, "lies, damn lies and statistics". You are a true cherry-picker when it comes to your stats. And blinkered to say the least. And a few other things beside that! Why not take a more even-handed approach when having a discussion in a public forum? Maybe then you'll get the conversation you supposedly want? Instead of deliberately provocative statements. 

As for Steve and his predictions - you don't have to be a mind reader to understand what he means most the time (long-term optimist, short-term pessimist!). But several of you will do all sort of mental gymnastics to have a pop at him. It's the same people every single time. Wonder why? Perhaps its a grudge between posters, rather than an issue with the content at hand?

Anyways, Poole are short price favs to win the league and it's generally accepted that they have the strongest team. No-one in their right mind thinks Poole will win every match. It will likely take a few matches for the newest imports to get to grips with the UK setups. It will be a shock to see the Pirates drop points at home this year, and they should have moderate success on their travels. Ipswich 1998 they are not!!!!

Oh come on mate, to be fair Gavan would be suited to a set of visors, blinkers would be a bit to much, he'l pull like a train.. Imo the  Ippo team of 1998 was very good, but financially it was there undoing. its come with a cost. crowd wise, they are not Poole. Mental Gymnastics, straight 10's...

Edited April 9, 2018 by Starman2006

[Bagpuss 10,780]

The 'thick' people are those who take what Shovlar says seriously.

[Starman2006 2,354]

2 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

The 'thick' people are those who take what Shovlar says seriously.

To be fair, not to many poole fans take what Steve says seriously, but he does make some valid points. Its those that take the bait !  Steves got backache and a dead arm from reeling them in..

[stevebrum 6,821]

7 hours ago, NeilWatson said:

 

Check out Art 18.5.1 - http://www.britishspeedway.co/2018_speedway_regulations_online.pdf

Just 'initial declaration'. As expected no clarity on re declaring or signing riders over 8. Although I'm not surprised. 

[Sidney the robin 4,735]

2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Lol!

Steve Worrall is a third heat leader. You are making out he would have scored double figures on Wednesday. 6-7 points, possibly 8 but that should easily be covered. 

Cook and Fricke are better than Worrall, so thats 2 of the 4 heats likely to bring in more points than he would have scored. Starke, if used in the correct heat, would cover. What Bewley scores might take back the gains made from the Cook and Fricke rides.

Belle Vue are not worse off with Worrall out. Now if they use a guest in say, Charles Wright, that might alter things.

As for going on holiday, yes I am off to Bassano del Grappa on the 26th for a week. Looking forward to it already.

Do us all a favour and don't comeback  leave it to the proper Poole  supporters as Gavan pointed out  Worrall scored 16 you must be deluded to think you  would not miss that.?? Only a third heat leader he is a very important rider for this Vue side and he is ENGLISH so let's support him not knock him.You need to do your research before making comments you often did that last year making stupid Comments about Jacob Thorssell's  away form the problem is you are just in your  little blue bubble you do not understand the bigger picture.

[Sidney the robin 4,735]

57 minutes ago, Starman2006 said:

To be fair, not to many poole fans take what Steve says seriously, but he does make some valid points. Its those that take the bait !  Steves got backache and a dead arm from reeling them in..

Not bait he often believes it  which is worrying some of his comments do Poole Speedway no good whatsoever.

[Bleeds Pirate Blue 192]

2 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said:

he is a very important rider for this Vue side and he is ENGLISH so let's support him not knock him... the problem is you are just in your  little blue bubble you do not understand the bigger picture.

The emphasis on "ENGLISH" in your previous comment paints a certain picture of the poster.

And then there is the follow up about "little bubble" and "do not understand the bigger picture". 

Amusing contradiction there in the current political climate. 

 

[Bleeds Pirate Blue 192]

5 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said:

Not bait he often believes it  which is worrying some of his comments do Poole Speedway no good whatsoever.

Are you a mind reader? Because you are claiming to know what Steve thinks. How very prescient of you. 

[Gavan 5,050]

2 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

The loss of Worrall is big but I think you are over doing it a bit Gavan!! Not many riders get the same score each time they get to the same away track. Harder opposition riders this time plus maybe he preferred riding with the holes!

I would predict between 8-12 for him, so if a guest or r/r can get at least 8 then job done.

Plus I think Richie told him how to ride the track!

I do know that riders dont always get the same

Would you rather have a GB international who scored 16 last time or have his rides taken by 3 lesser riders and one who although better hates the track?? Come on its not rocket science is it.

All Shovlar does is stir the pot looking for reactions

[Phil The Ace 2,860]

Lawson in for worrall 

[Gavan 5,050]

3 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said:

Lawson in for worrall 

Good choice 12 from 5 last time out and certainly stronger then going r/r for Worrall.

[Gavan 5,050]

1 hour ago, Bleeds Pirate Blue said:

Steve Worrall - easily as good around Wimborne Road as Darcy Ward in his pomp, because he once scored 16 there. I'll make note he is a 10.00+ now when riding at Poole...

Gavan up to his usual tricks - everything is black and white and he is 100% certain based on his use of statistics. Well Gavan, as Ben Disraeli once said, there are three types of lies, "lies, damn lies and statistics". You are a true cherry-picker when it comes to your stats. And blinkered to say the least. And a few other things beside that! Why not take a more even-handed approach when having a discussion in a public forum? Maybe then you'll get the conversation you supposedly want? Instead of deliberately provocative statements. 

As for Steve and his predictions - you don't have to be a mind reader to understand what he means most the time (long-term optimist, short-term pessimist!). But several of you will do all sort of mental gymnastics to have a pop at him. It's the same people every single time. Wonder why? Perhaps its a grudge between posters, rather than an issue with the content at hand?

Anyways, Poole are short price favs to win the league and it's generally accepted that they have the strongest team. No-one in their right mind thinks Poole will win every match. It will likely take a few matches for the newest imports to get to grips with the UK setups. It will be a shock to see the Pirates drop points at home this year, and they should have moderate success on their travels. Ipswich 1998 they are not!!!!

What on earth are you wittering on about lol

Shovlar is a wind up merchant and a troll, if thats how he gets his kicks then so be it.  Wonder why everyone has a pop at him lol are we all wrong?

And hell yes i will use statistics surely thats what we can base predictions on is it not??

Would you pick a rider that got 16 last time or a rider who got 5?? Im not saying that Steve would have got 16 but he certainly has the form in the book to go very well at Poole.

Maybe when predicting a meeting we should ignore a riders past performances at tracks then?

As ive just said Lawson is a good replacement based on his last visit .....................oh damn maybe i shouldnt have done that and used his past Poole record as a guide to wether he may score 10 or 4.