stevebrum 6,821 Posted June 4, 2018 13 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Still a better rider than Kyle Howarth though Steve, he took him from the back at his home track Sheffield in the WC semi. Also Auty has more of a chance than Howarth at Belle Vue of mixing it and being a spoiler in the British Final. Under no logic is Auty better than Howarth. 2017. Premiership. Howarth 6.64 Auty 4.68 . Championship. Howarth 8.62 Auty 6.90. Howarth miles better in both leagues. 2016. Premiership (elite) Howarth 5.13 Auty 4.90. Championship. Howarth 7.18 Auty 7.01 Not a great deal in it but still Howarth higher than Auty. in 2 seasons Howarth has been the more improved and better rider. Anyone can make a case of a rider being better than an other by using one meeting or one track. the days of Auty being classed as a true number one have been long gone. Granted he seems in good form this year and if he maintains it then perhaps there is more to come. Has been on a downward spiral for a couple of seasons so good for him If he has managed to turn things around.and if he does well in the British final good luck to him. It’s what he does over the whole season that will count. 29 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: I don't think so also Howarth rides at a home track with a massive home advantage i don't see him averaging 6.50 in the top five at any other track.Auty has been a number 1 at Prem level ok a inconsistent one Howarth has not Auty has reached 6 British Final's Howarth 5 so they are like for like.If they had twenty rides against each other at different tracks i know who my money would be on look i like Howarth and he has progressed by going to Wolves but that track still has a huge home advantage. And how was his championship average so much higher in 2017? I’m guessing because he was much better at away tracks as well. if you break down his 2017 stats for Wolves his home average was 6.74 and away 6.72. Blows your 6.50 theory out the window a little eh Sid??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,781 Posted June 4, 2018 I agree, but the wording of the point leaves a lot to be desired. British Speedway will only move forward when both leagues pull in the same direction. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,781 Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) . Edited June 4, 2018 by Bagpuss Double post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronScorpion 1,407 Posted June 4, 2018 4 hours ago, BWitcher said: He has a very valid point though. Young riders, as shown in 2014, shouldn't be jumping straight into the top flight. It is at the Championship level there should be a minimum of British riders in a team to give them a position to progress too. You could have a minimum of 2 British riders in the Premiership, 1 of which must be a reserve. You could then have 3 British riders in the Championship, 2 of which must be at reserve. The second highest averaged rider rides at 6 & may have 1 extra replacement ride. The lowest reserve rider rides at 7 & can take 2 extra rides. If r/r or IRR is in operation then the reserves can take 1 more ride. A good reserve should be there to assist the team rather than having the maximum 7 rides to win meetings. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted June 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: I agree, but the wording of the point leaves a lot to be desired. British Speedway will only move forward when both leagues pull in the same direction. Sorry Puss i bow down to your superior knowledge why did you double post.???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BluTiger 21,700 Posted June 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: I agree, but the wording of the point leaves a lot to be desired. British Speedway will only move forward when both leagues pull in the same direction. Its only going to die a death whatever they do, its a casulty of the digital age ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted June 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, blupanther said: Its only going to die a death whatever they do, its a casulty of the digital age ... Is that the new excuse being given? Once again speedway in it's own little bubble... meanwhile other sports take advantage of the 'digital age'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BluTiger 21,700 Posted June 4, 2018 1 hour ago, BWitcher said: Is that the new excuse being given? Once again speedway in it's own little bubble... meanwhile other sports take advantage of the 'digital age'. Lots of outdoor sports are suffering, its not just speedway. Spectator and participant numbers are on the decline, its no excuse. With 70% of school age children spending less time outdoors than an incarcerated inmate, its quite clear that outdoor sports will suffer. Most sports realise that the weekend is the best time to operate, running mid week does UK Speedway no favours either ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted June 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, blupanther said: Lots of outdoor sports are suffering, its not just speedway. Spectator and participant numbers are on the decline, its no excuse. With 70% of school age children spending less time outdoors than an incarcerated inmate, its quite clear that outdoor sports will suffer. Most sports realise that the weekend is the best time to operate, running mid week does UK Speedway no favours either ... It's an excuse. The sport has been declining since the 80's, long before the 'digital age'. Over and over it has pointed at external factors being to blame.. and continues to do so. External factors of course have an influence, but they aren't the primary reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,781 Posted June 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: Sorry Puss i bow down to your superior knowledge why did you double post.???? Dodgy WiFi! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BluTiger 21,700 Posted June 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, BWitcher said: It's an excuse. The sport has been declining since the 80's, long before the 'digital age'. Over and over it has pointed at external factors being to blame.. and continues to do so. External factors of course have an influence, but they aren't the primary reason. The digital age began in the late 80's, i know because i was importing the games and consoles. The truth is that most people find speedway very boring and that is not going to change, as fifteen minutes action out of two hours does not grab their 'digitally tuned' attention .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted June 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Dodgy WiFi! No problem you are right Bagpuss in most that say sorry anyway my fault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy bill 154 Posted June 4, 2018 Why did this post develop into Auty v Howarth that was not my point,my point was why a RIDER OF AUTYS talent not being used by a premiership team.And why are teams allowed to use foreign riders at res. In answer to why Auty has struggled over the past two seasons ,he suffered a badly broken hand and mised a large part of the season.Then the following year he was knocked off his bike at the end of a race by that dirty little Aussie Tungate and broke the same bones in his hand.That is why he had two bad seasons this year he is back to his best so someone will benefit from signing him . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillipsr 2,056 Posted June 4, 2018 Auty is nowhere near the level of Howarth.. I agree british riders should be getting rides in the top league but young talented riders should be not riders who have failed over and over again 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, phillipsr said: Auty is nowhere near the level of Howarth.. I agree british riders should be getting rides in the top league but young talented riders should be not riders who have failed over and over again You are a broken record who knows!!!!! .We all have opinions and for me if Howarth gets a chance then so should Auty as well If i remember rightly Auty did take Kyle from the back at the Sheffield semi, and has had a pretty and consistent year. Edited June 5, 2018 by Sidney the robin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites