IronScorpion 1,407 Posted October 14, 2018 The BSPA did. They put out a statement saying the were reverting back to only 3 meetings per race night(fixed tracks) with teams reverting back to main race night. Alternative race nights only to be used if Friday night track did not have a meeting or were riding at a similar Friday night track. Yes, fixtures were agreed back in February but the increase in injured riders meant that there were limited guests available. Even the SCB have had to make amendments to rules as the season progressed. We don't live in a perfect world where every thing & every one is perfect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy bill 154 Posted October 14, 2018 One league any team who cant afford to run in it drops into the National League, Teams go back to their normal race nights only British riders allowed at reserve in the top league.Allow a 45 points limit scrap the one eight point rule , guest riders only allowed for missing any top two in averages ,others replaced by R/r or rider from own asset base. RIDERS WONT LIKE THIS BUT STRiCKED PAY RATE rule to be thrashed out before season ,limited time allowed for rider digging green light mounted by start line once it goes out riders allowed only 15 seconds to line up,any rider falling off at back when other team on a 5/1 and not clearing track when obviously he can to be deducted one point from his score but not the teams score at referees discretion .Team changes only allowed up to the end of August,starting rules unless obvious jump but if no tapes touched let go .No big gaps between meetings get back to speedway every week or at lest every two week at all tracks. What do you think about that lot folks 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waco 1,026 Posted October 14, 2018 Speedy Bill sounds good .personally I do not know if it would all work in practice .but hey you have obviously given it some thought... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattK 3,447 Posted October 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, speedy bill said: One league any team who cant afford to run in it drops into the National League, Teams go back to their normal race nights only British riders allowed at reserve in the top league.Allow a 45 points limit scrap the one eight point rule The Championship have a league with similar entrance fees to the Premiership, but significantly lower running costs. Why would they want to double their costs without increasing their income by joining a league as you describe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Third Man 2,217 Posted October 14, 2018 30 minutes ago, speedy bill said: One league any team who cant afford to run in it drops into the National League, Teams go back to their normal race nights only British riders allowed at reserve in the top league.Allow a 45 points limit scrap the one eight point rule , guest riders only allowed for missing any top two in averages ,others replaced by R/r or rider from own asset base. RIDERS WONT LIKE THIS BUT STRiCKED PAY RATE rule to be thrashed out before season ,limited time allowed for rider digging green light mounted by start line once it goes out riders allowed only 15 seconds to line up,any rider falling off at back when other team on a 5/1 and not clearing track when obviously he can to be deducted one point from his score but not the teams score at referees discretion .Team changes only allowed up to the end of August,starting rules unless obvious jump but if no tapes touched let go .No big gaps between meetings get back to speedway every week or at lest every two week at all tracks. What do you think about that lot folks Will only work if the averages are set at championship levels, or it will be too expensive for most clubs 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattK 3,447 Posted October 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, The Third Man said: Will only work if the averages are set at championship levels, or it will be too expensive for most clubs Even if the averages were set at Championship levels, most Championship clubs would see their costs rise as they would no longer benefit from sharing the cost of riders who are doubling-up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted October 14, 2018 47 minutes ago, speedy bill said: One league any team who cant afford to run in it drops into the National League, Teams go back to their normal race nights only British riders allowed at reserve in the top league.Allow a 45 points limit scrap the one eight point rule , guest riders only allowed for missing any top two in averages ,others replaced by R/r or rider from own asset base. RIDERS WONT LIKE THIS BUT STRiCKED PAY RATE rule to be thrashed out before season ,limited time allowed for rider digging green light mounted by start line once it goes out riders allowed only 15 seconds to line up,any rider falling off at back when other team on a 5/1 and not clearing track when obviously he can to be deducted one point from his score but not the teams score at referees discretion .Team changes only allowed up to the end of August,starting rules unless obvious jump but if no tapes touched let go .No big gaps between meetings get back to speedway every week or at lest every two week at all tracks. What do you think about that lot folks Not sure how that deduction of point from riders score but not team score would work? Surely the team would just pay the rider for the deducted point? And would be great for average reduction. Seems to give an incentive not to clear the track Would have to go bsck to the old start procedure rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foamfence 2,917 Posted October 15, 2018 9 hours ago, MattK said: Even if the averages were set at Championship levels, most Championship clubs would see their costs rise as they would no longer benefit from sharing the cost of riders who are doubling-up. If doubling up becomes the norm, support will continue to decline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattK 3,447 Posted October 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, foamfence said: If doubling up becomes the norm, support will continue to decline. Why? I'm not aware of anyone who has stopped going to Swindon because Swindon's captain Nick Morris also rides for Lakeside. Granted, it is not an ideal situation, but the fact is that doubling-up reduces costs for teams in both leagues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foamfence 2,917 Posted October 15, 2018 27 minutes ago, MattK said: Why? I'm not aware of anyone who has stopped going to Swindon because Swindon's captain Nick Morris also rides for Lakeside. Granted, it is not an ideal situation, but the fact is that doubling-up reduces costs for teams in both leagues. It removes credibility, If you're happy with it fair enough, in regard to Swindon; I shouldn't be surprised if nobody goes there in the near future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4thbender 382 Posted October 15, 2018 10 hours ago, MattK said: Why? I'm not aware of anyone who has stopped going to Swindon because Swindon's captain Nick Morris also rides for Lakeside. Granted, it is not an ideal situation, but the fact is that doubling-up reduces costs for teams in both leagues. "Doubling up" - along with speedway's insidious fixation with using "guests" - makes speedway a laughing stock within the serious sporting community. In any other professional team sport the idea of participants representing more than one team would be a non-starter. Can you imagine the outrage if Liverpool's Mohamed Salah did a bit of moonlighting for Tranmere Rovers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattK 3,447 Posted October 15, 2018 23 minutes ago, 4thbender said: "Doubling up" - along with speedway's insidious fixation with using "guests" - makes speedway a laughing stock within the serious sporting community. In any other professional team sport the idea of participants representing more than one team would be a non-starter. Can you imagine the outrage if Liverpool's Mohamed Salah did a bit of moonlighting for Tranmere Rovers? Guests are more damaging from a credibility point of view in my opinion, however at this stage the primary focus must be on a sustainable business model, so guests and doubling-up are a necessary evil. Either way, this does not address the underlying point which is why would Championship clubs agree to form into one big league with the Premiership if it going to mean increased costs with no equivalent increase in revenues? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frigbo 518 Posted October 15, 2018 I for one am someone who no longer attends Swindon due to both guests and doubling-up being out of control and virtually turning teams into a travelling circus of riders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Third Man 2,217 Posted October 15, 2018 23 hours ago, MattK said: Even if the averages were set at Championship levels, most Championship clubs would see their costs rise as they would no longer benefit from sharing the cost of riders who are doubling-up. Riders will only get paid more if the promoters agree, if by some miracle they stick together for the benefit of the sport as a whole costs wont increase The promoters hold the key to it all, rebuild in a sustainable way or go back to the free for all of 2017, and drive away more supporters Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattK 3,447 Posted October 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, The Third Man said: Riders will only get paid more if the promoters agree, if by some miracle they stick together for the benefit of the sport as a whole costs wont increase The promoters hold the key to it all, rebuild in a sustainable way or go back to the free for all of 2017, and drive away more supporters The problem is not all clubs are financially equal and it only takes one promoter to offer more cash and they get the pick of the riders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites