f-s-p 832 Posted January 22, 2020 I’m all out of ideas to find a ”traditional” (not KO) meeting format for the specs mentioned in the title. Speedway.org seems to have got a clean up and stuff is gone. I’m confident such a meeting has taken place in the past decade. Can anyone help? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andout 660 Posted January 22, 2020 I know a 24 rider, 4 per heat format has been used....the 1963 PLRC springs to mind........not sure I ever remember a 20 rider 4 per heat but I would guess it has occurred. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Thumb 81 Posted January 22, 2020 https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/zuvvi/media/bc_files/officials/CS_20_rider.xls this is a cycle speedway 20 rider individual format. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted January 23, 2020 20 hours ago, Tom Thumb said: https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/zuvvi/media/bc_files/officials/CS_20_rider.xls this is a cycle speedway 20 rider individual format. Thank you very much, we'll see what we can do with it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humphrey Appleby 13,960 Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) On 1/22/2020 at 10:23 PM, f-s-p said: I’m all out of ideas to find a ”traditional” (not KO) meeting format for the specs mentioned in the title. Speedway.org seems to have got a clean up and stuff is gone. I’m confident such a meeting has taken place in the past decade. I don't know about on the past decade, but the North American Final ran a 20-rider, 4-riders-per-heat format at one point. But you could actually adapt the Speedway World Cup format from around 2004 that had 4 teams with 5 riders (no reserves) for an individual competition. It isn't possible to have every rider meet every other rider an equal number of times under any formula (unless you run an impractically large number of heats), so you need to settle for 20 heats (4 rides, 12 opponents), 25 heats (5 rides, 15 opponents) or 30 heats (6 rides, 18 opponents). Edited January 24, 2020 by Humphrey Appleby 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted January 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said: I don't know about on the past decade, but the North American Final ran a 20-rider, 4-riders-per-heat format at one point. But you could actually adapt the Speedway World Cup format from around 2004 that had 4 teams with 5 riders (no reserves) for an individual competition. It isn't possible to have every rider meet every other rider an equal number of times under any formula (unless you run an impractically large number of heats), so you need to settle for 20 heats (4 rides, 12 opponents), 25 heats (5 rides, 15 opponents) or 30 heats (6 rides, 18 opponents). We have a situation in ice racing where we have 21 entries for a meeting. The weather looks like there wont be a possibility to have a qualifier so the best solution from several crap ones is to have the requested 20 rider format meeting with top 2 to the final after prelis and 3-6 to semi for the remaining 2 final slots. Those two extra heats make it as even as it can ever be. Far from perfect though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted January 25, 2020 23 hours ago, f-s-p said: We have a situation in ice racing where we have 21 entries for a meeting. The weather looks like there wont be a possibility to have a qualifier so the best solution from several crap ones is to have the requested 20 rider format meeting with top 2 to the final after prelis and 3-6 to semi for the remaining 2 final slots. Those two extra heats make it as even as it can ever be. Far from perfect though... So we got the spreadsheet, made the draw with one quali heat b4 the meeting, rode it on paper and end up with a tie for 2nd, 4th and 6th. And those tie’s need a draw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted January 25, 2020 Been here for 15 years Timo and learned more from the sport than you ever will! Preciate the daggers on my back protector, couldnt care less! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,995 Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, f-s-p said: Been here for 15 years Timo and learned more from the sport than you ever will! Preciate the daggers on my back protector, couldnt care less! You talking to ghosts mate? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
False dawn 2,298 Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, iris123 said: You talking to ghosts mate? Nah. He fancied an intelligent conversation, so he ignored all of us and started talking to himself. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted January 26, 2020 9 hours ago, iris123 said: You talking to ghosts mate? Got a mention on a closed facebook forum for my efforts to solve a problem in a situation where a win-win is the one answer that wont happen... Basic stuff. This is where it got noticed, so I answered as well. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,995 Posted January 30, 2020 Gone for an 18 rider format with a quali to find the last 2 riders now ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted January 30, 2020 43 minutes ago, iris123 said: Gone for an 18 rider format with a quali to find the last 2 riders now ? Regular 16+2 since we had 2 riders withdrawing due to various reasons. One quali heat for 1+2 slots in the lineup. All this fuss for what looks like nothing looking at the forecast. Well not nothing actually, my reputation is growing if nothing else... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites