Fortythirtyeight 841 Posted January 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, soupy said: And your point is? Read the relevant posts . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghosty 500 Posted January 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: So you want to go back to the ‘ old days ‘ ? Ask yourself why that was done away with in the first place . To provide more ‘ entertainment ‘ of the top level and do away with the mostly corrupt second half finals that were rigged by the riders themselves, as demanded by the dwindling fans who mostly walked out after heat 13. So your solution to find the riders UK speedway need is? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soupy 556 Posted January 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Read the relevant posts . I have read them all but was just pointing it out. One rider is still better than no one but not loads but it has happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fortythirtyeight 841 Posted January 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Ghosty said: So your solution to find the riders UK speedway need is? Never claimed I had one but trying things that were done away with in the past for logical reasons is not the answer. We could try and stop kidding ourselves that we need a ‘ Premier ‘ division and a ‘ Championship ‘ when it’s near enough the same riders who just get paid more in one than the other. Do away with doubling up, make the lower divisions weaker, pay the riders less, especially the NDL, make them consider being semi professional and amateurs riding for expenses only, if, as they claim, they need big money, then those that want to be full time professional can aim for it. Bring the costs down for the riders and the fans. There you go, just an opinion as you have asked. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fortythirtyeight 841 Posted January 30, 2022 44 minutes ago, soupy said: I have read them all but was just pointing it out. One rider is still better than no one but not loads but it has happened. You obviously don’t get the thread ! The proposal was to have multiple novice kids having a first ever ride on a bike in the hour leading upto the main match with their parents getting in for free to bring new people and kids in which is what we were discussing . Not one competent kid doing a few demo laps ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,293 Posted January 30, 2022 23 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Never claimed I had one but trying things that were done away with in the past for logical reasons is not the answer. We could try and stop kidding ourselves that we need a ‘ Premier ‘ division and a ‘ Championship ‘ when it’s near enough the same riders who just get paid more in one than the other. Do away with doubling up, make the lower divisions weaker, pay the riders less, especially the NDL, make them consider being semi professional and amateurs riding for expenses only, if, as they claim, they need big money, then those that want to be full time professional can aim for it. Bring the costs down for the riders and the fans. There you go, just an opinion as you have asked. All common sense in a much needed "reset" plan.. However, it wont happen for all the obvious reasons that exist... With the main one being Div 2 currently rules the Speedway roost... And turkeys dont vote for Xmas.. The NDL up to a few years ago seemed to have the perfect set up between cost, income, entertainment and development progression/opportunity.. Sadly that was taken apart.. The whole operating model is beyond fixing unless the sport works as a collective to fix it.. And that would take huge compromise and a clear plan for demarcation between the leagues, promotion, relegation, (or one league only) and one club per rider etc... What we have is pretty much all that we will ever have I would think is more the reality.. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speedway fan 206 Posted January 30, 2022 8 hours ago, *JJ said: And the Midland [Northern/Southern] Development Leagues need to be reinstated. This was an invaluable stepping stone between training schools and the National League; now it has (mostly) gone, people wonder why there is a shortage of riders! there will be more clubs in the 2022 MSDL ..... a lot of work going in to getting riders valuable track time 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GiveusaB 1,146 Posted January 31, 2022 Just a quick point on riders coming through? Nowadays, the reason that there aren't as many 'stars' for want of a better word, is because it's way too expensive.....you have to have a few quid to set a youngster up. A lot of natural talent probably don't get chance to have a go. Most probably, the best riders are ones that terrorise neighbourhoods on unlicensed death traps.... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,247 Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, GiveusaB said: Just a quick point on riders coming through? Nowadays, the reason that there aren't as many 'stars' for want of a better word, is because it's way too expensive.....you have to have a few quid to set a youngster up. A lot of natural talent probably don't get chance to have a go. Most probably, the best riders are ones that terrorise neighbourhoods on unlicensed death traps.... Probably not too far away with that. How many decent riders have slipped through the net over the years simply because they couldn't afford it or couldn't afford to compete with lesser riders on better equipment and those are the ones who have actually got a bike and given it a go. Money rules the roost and when GP level bikes are available to amateur level riders the results will always be skewed. To get the genuine cream to rise to the top it has to be supplied bikes / standardised kit and thats just not going to happen in this variation of the sport. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyPresley 102 Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, GiveusaB said: Just a quick point on riders coming through? Nowadays, the reason that there aren't as many 'stars' for want of a better word, is because it's way too expensive.....you have to have a few quid to set a youngster up. A lot of natural talent probably don't get chance to have a go. Most probably, the best riders are ones that terrorise neighbourhoods on unlicensed death traps.... This a great point and one I agree with 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fortythirtyeight 841 Posted January 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, AndyPresley said: This a great point and one I agree with But inaccurate as speedway is one of the cheapest forms of motorsport to participate in. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GiveusaB 1,146 Posted January 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: But inaccurate as speedway is one of the cheapest forms of motorsport to participate in. Really? Not sure I'd agree with that. However, my point is that the scallywags on the stolen street bikes are pretty skilled riders and probably haven't got any funds/parental guidance etc etc.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyPresley 102 Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Fortythirtyeight said: But inaccurate as speedway is one of the cheapest forms of motorsport to participate in. You're right, it is one of the cheapest forms of motorsport and I don't doubt that. Certainly not cheap and accessible to the average family or teenager though.. nor is any motorsport, so entry into the sport is always going to be be restrictive in comparison to ball or racket sports for example. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*JJ 512 Posted January 31, 2022 23 hours ago, Skidder1 said: What has been stopped (by the BSPL) are those clubs without a permanent track of their own being allowed to run at an adopted track!! But it was never explained why this was! They gave plenty of riders the opportunity to compete and practice. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PotteringAround 633 Posted January 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, *JJ said: But it was never explained why this was! They actually haven't changed any rule about nomad clubs. It's always been the case that someone trying to bring back a defunct club can run in the junior leagues as a nomad club, and it still is. However in the past the SCB didn't really make any enquiries as to what attempts are being made to bring a club back. So if you just said "I'm trying to bring back Harringay", they'd probably let you run a junior league team. In the last few years they've tightened up the checks. So now if you say I'm trying to bring back Harringay and want to run a team in the Southern Development league, the SCB would be asking where the land in Harringay for this new track is. If you've got a genuine plan to have a new track in place in the next year or two, they'll let you run a nomad team in the meantime. Their reasoning is that they are getting rid of people on "an ego trip" who want to just "play at managing a speedway team", but have no real ambition to actually bring that club back. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
