W9 Lion 222 Posted May 31, 2022 1 hour ago, screm said: I would be surprised if any club would hand out a guaranteed wage, if Newcastle have then that's a poor bit of business IMO. Why? It makes business sense to have a Number One on a guaranteed fee as it makes budgeting easier. I think the issue is if you have riders on unrealistic guaranteed fees which is a different problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racin Jason 72 1,283 Posted May 31, 2022 Paul Starke did crash heavily in his last ride at Ipswich and received medical attention so my guess on this occasion it’s a genuine absence. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crescent girl 1,905 Posted May 31, 2022 15 hours ago, enotian said: not sure but as I understand it the former promotion didn't have a sponsor license either. Just relied on being able to sign EU riders who at that time didn't need permits. That would be correct. Brexit is the bad apple here, not any lack of ambition on the part of the clubs who desperately need to find riders. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justgotmecpc 1,059 Posted May 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, crescent girl said: That would be correct. Brexit is the bad apple here, not any lack of ambition on the part of the clubs who desperately need to find riders. & It's even harder to attract better riders being a Sunday track Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
screm 8,057 Posted May 31, 2022 4 hours ago, W9 Lion said: Why? It makes business sense to have a Number One on a guaranteed fee as it makes budgeting easier. I think the issue is if you have riders on unrealistic guaranteed fees which is a different problem. Going by your logic, and going down the budgeting route, then it would business sense to have the entire team on guaranteed wages. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cinderfella 865 Posted May 31, 2022 40 minutes ago, screm said: Going by your logic, and going down the budgeting route, then it would business sense to have the entire team on guaranteed wages. I bet every rider in the PL and CL is on a guaranteed income otherwise they could afford to do it. Just as example James Shanes would be out of pocket after having to purchase two new helmets to continue racing after his helmets got damaged beyond use at Edinburgh on Friday. I imagine he wouldn't have much change out of £400 so without a guaranteed income riders wouldn't be racing I doubt 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mac101 1,201 Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) most riders just hope they get paid and on time lol no guarantees now Edited May 31, 2022 by mac101 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronScorpion 1,407 Posted May 31, 2022 28 minutes ago, cinderfella said: I bet every rider in the PL and CL is on a guaranteed income otherwise they could afford to do it. Just as example James Shanes would be out of pocket after having to purchase two new helmets to continue racing after his helmets got damaged beyond use at Edinburgh on Friday. I imagine he wouldn't have much change out of £400 so without a guaranteed income riders wouldn't be racing I doubt Insurance of rider, insurance of club, personal sponsors, gofundme! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted May 31, 2022 Honestly Might not be the right place to post this but it does appear to be a "Hot Topic" at present Not been to any meetings (anywhere) this season (so no idea) however even though it is difficult bringing in riders the following are not new to the league and will improve the team IMHO. That is if they aren't injured and don't have serious Polish commitments; KKH is in the same team as Tero so maybe he is available to do the UK 2nd tier which I don't think the Pole's recognise as a serious league? (will stand corrected) and the two Swedes both have previous with Newcastle. Just depends on how serious the promotion are to be fair in wanting a change Any Takers Luke Becker 11.58 Norick Blodorn Poss 4.00 or 5.00 Ass (as still an assessed rider in the top league) Victor Palovaara 6.25 Ludvig Lindgren 6.47 Kenneth Hansen 6.74 Smetana and Skorja Ass 5's Drop 1; 6 and 7 for 19.76 points including left-overs Bring in Hansen Palovaara and Lindgren for 19.46 NEWCASTLE 1) Kenneth Hansen 6.74 2) Matthew Wethers 5.52 3) Ludvig Lindgren 6.47 4) Victor Palovaara 6.25 5) Paul Starke 6.27 6) Max Clegg 5.26 7) James Wright 5.06 Current Total 41.56 Remaining Points 0.44 Team Total 42 This pushes both Clegg and Wright back into reserve giving genuine strength in depth The figures need checking out but where there is a will (an all that) there is a way. Potentially a bit more expensive with flights and the like but what do the powers that be do? Keep on ploughing ahead under the current situation? New team manager has been mentioned; paying riders as per contract and without delay may or may not be an issue; get some spirit back in the camp!!! can they or will they just roll on under the current circumstances. As an interested bystander it will be very interesting to see what transpires... Regards THJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cinderfella 865 Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Honestly Might not be the right place to post this but it does appear to be a "Hot Topic" at present Not been to any meetings (anywhere) this season (so no idea) however even though it is difficult bringing in riders the following are not new to the league and will improve the team IMHO. That is if they aren't injured and don't have serious Polish commitments; KKH is in the same team as Tero so maybe he is available to do the UK 2nd tier which I don't think the Pole's recognise as a serious league? (will stand corrected) and the two Swedes both have previous with Newcastle. Just depends on how serious the promotion are to be fair in wanting a change Any Takers Luke Becker 11.58 Norick Blodorn Poss 4.00 or 5.00 Ass (as still an assessed rider in the top league) Victor Palovaara 6.25 Ludvig Lindgren 6.47 Kenneth Hansen 6.74 Smetana and Skorja Ass 5's Drop 1; 6 and 7 for 19.76 points including left-overs Bring in Hansen Palovaara and Lindgren for 19.46 NEWCASTLE 1) Kenneth Hansen 6.74 2) Matthew Wethers 5.52 3) Ludvig Lindgren 6.47 4) Victor Palovaara 6.25 5) Paul Starke 6.27 6) Max Clegg 5.26 7) James Wright 5.06 Current Total 41.56 Remaining Points 0.44 Team Total 42 This pushes both Clegg and Wright back into reserve giving genuine strength in depth The figures need checking out but where there is a will (an all that) there is a way. Potentially a bit more expensive with flights and the like but what do the powers that be do? Keep on ploughing ahead under the current situation? New team manager has been mentioned; paying riders as per contract and without delay may or may not be an issue; get some spirit back in the camp!!! can they or will they just roll on under the current circumstances. As an interested bystander it will be very interesting to see what transpires... Regards THJ Think Becker and Blodorn are already committed to Sundays elsewhere. Sam Jensen who rode for Glasgow could be another one who is available oe what about Danny Gappmeier who did a job for Berwick? Edited May 31, 2022 by cinderfella 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diamondboy 677 Posted May 31, 2022 1 hour ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Honestly Might not be the right place to post this but it does appear to be a "Hot Topic" at present Not been to any meetings (anywhere) this season (so no idea) however even though it is difficult bringing in riders the following are not new to the league and will improve the team IMHO. That is if they aren't injured and don't have serious Polish commitments; KKH is in the same team as Tero so maybe he is available to do the UK 2nd tier which I don't think the Pole's recognise as a serious league? (will stand corrected) and the two Swedes both have previous with Newcastle. Just depends on how serious the promotion are to be fair in wanting a change Any Takers Luke Becker 11.58 Norick Blodorn Poss 4.00 or 5.00 Ass (as still an assessed rider in the top league) Victor Palovaara 6.25 Ludvig Lindgren 6.47 Kenneth Hansen 6.74 Smetana and Skorja Ass 5's Drop 1; 6 and 7 for 19.76 points including left-overs Bring in Hansen Palovaara and Lindgren for 19.46 NEWCASTLE 1) Kenneth Hansen 6.74 2) Matthew Wethers 5.52 3) Ludvig Lindgren 6.47 4) Victor Palovaara 6.25 5) Paul Starke 6.27 6) Max Clegg 5.26 7) James Wright 5.06 Current Total 41.56 Remaining Points 0.44 Team Total 42 This pushes both Clegg and Wright back into reserve giving genuine strength in depth The figures need checking out but where there is a will (an all that) there is a way. Potentially a bit more expensive with flights and the like but what do the powers that be do? Keep on ploughing ahead under the current situation? New team manager has been mentioned; paying riders as per contract and without delay may or may not be an issue; get some spirit back in the camp!!! can they or will they just roll on under the current circumstances. As an interested bystander it will be very interesting to see what transpires... Regards THJ Hansen. He rides same Polish team as Tero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted May 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, Diamondboy said: Hansen. He rides same Polish team as Tero Yes I know and Tero rides over here for feckin Scunny... so if Tero can manage it surely KKH can also do it can he not!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diamondboy 677 Posted May 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Yes I know and Tero rides over here for feckin Scunny... so if Tero can manage it surely KKH can also do it can he not!!! Lol, I do read both threads. It was a joke, more aimed at Ruff. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted May 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Diamondboy said: Lol, I do read both threads. It was a joke, more aimed at Ruff. lol, but a didn't post it on this thread,,, lol lol lol, but ad bet you knew ad have a look? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diamondboy 677 Posted May 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: lol, but a didn't post it on this thread,,, lol lol lol, but ad bet you knew ad have a look? But John posted the same on both. So fished him as well. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
