Peterborough Panthers 2023

[Rickyag 10]

47 minutes ago, Sir Sidney said:

No idea I'm afraid. I'm sure there are people close to the club who could answer that, but I would have thought the cost were prohibitive even if it were technically feasible.

I believe the roof etc are asbestos so I would think nobody would want to reuse but be removed and destroyed by specialists. 

[noaksey 345]

12 minutes ago, Rickyag said:

I believe the roof etc are asbestos so I would think nobody would want to reuse but be removed and destroyed by specialists. 

The rules surrounding demolition and planning permission are pretty complex, if there is asbestos or anything that could be considered unsafe then pp would be required 

[Crump99 4,476]

1 hour ago, Sir Sidney said:

How have you concluded that the Council 'has all but nodded this through ' ?

Firstly someone on the planning committee (I didn't know when I asked the question), told me in April that it'll go through on the nod (which was just an off the cuff instant reaction to what happens in most council meetings I suspect, planning or not). And to be clear, that one line discussion was all we had

Secondly, AEPG have allegedly already provided PCC with a paper about the loss of Peterborough Speedway in terms of the local plan. I don't believe that that is in the public domain which isn't really transparent if it can't be challenged.

Thirdly, Butterfield's quote: “We are working with the Speedway fans and owners but we understand the disappointment that the speedway is moving from Peterborough.” - well it's not according to the local plan and without planning approval, so that indicates that he thinks PCC have caved on LP36 & LP 30 and both applications will be nodded through?

I may be reading too much in to it but a lot of little bits of information soon paint a big picture.

Edited September 13, 2023 by Crump99

[Chris 441]

52 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

Thought I'd google and see what comes up? Whether this applies in 2023 I don't know but it's interesting:

What happens if planning permission is ignored?

If you do require planning permission but you proceed without it, you will have committed a planning breach. In the event of a planning breach, you will need to submit a retrospective application to the local council. If this is successful, you will not need to take any further action.

My concern is that my local council has all but nodded this through (didn't expect any opposition though) and the planning committee is just a front and tick box exercise for approval. Consider that the planning application was verified on the August Bank Holiday, as well as being told this week that the case officer dealing with this application is on annual leave at the moment and he will reply to you on his return doesn't exactly fill one with confidence!

This happened at Rye House where the new leaseholder changed the stand into a gymnasium and they removed the track without planning permission. The council just nodded the retrospective planning application for the gymnasium through. It was only when people started asking questions and making a nuisance about the track that they told the leaseholder to kindly stop breaking planning laws. The Council were next to useless and they would have built over the track without planning permission if they could have gotten away with it.

[Mick Bratley 474]

4 hours ago, Chris said:

AEPG will pull it apart pretty quickly after the farewell meeting. Is there anything that can be done to prevent it from happening though?

Yes, in progress.

[Mick Bratley 474]

2 hours ago, Crump99 said:

Basically you would imagine that Peterborough City Council would be the first port of call but the fact at a councillor, and someone on our side, is saying that really does beg the question of where indeed do you go? These people are profit orientated professional wreckers of things and with a weak council who've fallen for the vision and brochure, it probably needs equivalent professionals now to answer your question but who knows any or can afford such advice? Anyone sending in an objection could link to LP30 and being "fit for purpose" when the planning application went in but I'm clutching at straws. Urgency is the key though because if AEPG are thinking that then they need to know that there will be consequences, and not the ones that they want.

I would argue the point about them being ‘professional’ they have no track record of developing anything like the scale of the Showground.

[Mick Bratley 474]

1 hour ago, False dawn said:

Could the stand (and other buildings) be dismantled and used on a future, alternative site?

The stand, no. The other buildings, yes.

[Crump99 4,476]

8 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said:

I would argue the point about them being ‘professional’ they have no track record of developing anything like the scale of the Showground.

I thought that it was you who told me that we were dealing with professionals

They are very good at getting others to produce a nice glossy brochure saying all of the right things before pulling the wool over local eyes as they get people to fall for it!

[Daniel Smith 5,665]

Seems some are being confused as to what planning permission is for. 

Any land owner can remove any buildings that doesn't have any existing use & or listed status without council permission.

Once the season ends the land owner can remove the stand & plough over the track, nothing can stop that.

Only an objection order can prevent the demolition but this has to be in place before the last meeting. Any delay (November onwards) would likely be to late. 

[Hackney 89]

3 hours ago, Sir Sidney said:

No idea I'm afraid. I'm sure there are people close to the club who could answer that, but I would have thought the cost were prohibitive even if it were technically feasible.

I think I read that there was asbestos in the roof.

[Mick Bratley 474]

2 hours ago, Crump99 said:

I thought that it was you who told me that we were dealing with professionals

They are very good at getting others to produce a nice glossy brochure saying all of the right things before pulling the wool over local eyes as they get people to fall for it!

No, they are amateurs at this game.

[Mick Bratley 474]

2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

Seems some are being confused as to what planning permission is for. 

Any land owner can remove any buildings that doesn't have any existing use & or listed status without council permission.

Once the season ends the land owner can remove the stand & plough over the track, nothing can stop that.

Only an objection order can prevent the demolition but this has to be in place before the last meeting. Any delay (November onwards) would likely be to late. 

In progress.

[Rickyag 10]

48 minutes ago, Hackney said:

I think I read that there was asbestos in the roof.

The roof etc on the Grand Stand are asbestos so I would think nobody would want to reuse it, but be removed and destroyed by specialists.

[Gasser90 229]

1 hour ago, Rickyag said:

The roof etc on the Grand Stand are asbestos so I would think nobody would want to reuse it, but be removed and destroyed by specialists.

Which doesn’t come cheap. Not sure where aepg think they are getting the money from to cover the costs of that, you need electrical engineers to disconnect all electrical stuff. You need asbestos specialists to do the roof plus a team of mechanical engineers to do the structure, that’s a big job to take that down,  won’t come cheap 

[OldNutter 48]

1 hour ago, Gasser90 said:

Which doesn’t come cheap. Not sure where aepg think they are getting the money from to cover the costs of that, you need electrical engineers to disconnect all electrical stuff. You need asbestos specialists to do the roof plus a team of mechanical engineers to do the structure, that’s a big job to take that down,  won’t come cheap 

Not expensive compared to the size of the mortgage they already  hold that is designed to keep them going prior to the end of Phase One.  That is the problem. the money tree harvest they are looking at would probably keep the whole of British Speedway going for tens of years. That is the scale of the unbalance in the British economy these days.  How is it that a bunch of so-called petty consultants can put a scheme together with a few glossy brochures and a one-page web site with their previous absence of any previous experience and make almost enough to buy Manchester CIty FC without put lifting a finger to actually do any work that looks like being able to steamroller this plan through - UNLESS.