Mick Bratley 474 Posted November 12, 2023 15 hours ago, wealdstone said: Seeing images of the state of the track who exactly is ahead of the game? AEPG think that this will demonstrate that it satisfies option k of the local plan policy LP30, that being that the track is no longer fit for purpose. That’s naive, as they have instructed the current owners to destroy it. Pretty sure our council will not buy into that, more so given AEPGs arrogance and ignoring of the recent council refusal of their DHL operations. Agreed it doesn’t look good in those pictures but that’s only because we’ve never seen it like that before. There’s nothing that has been done that can’t be rectified in a short space of time, we have the manpower (supporters) and we have the sponsors who will support financially. AEPG may have broken supporters hearts but they’ll never break their spirit, these actions will just make the supporters more determined. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mick Bratley 474 Posted November 12, 2023 52 minutes ago, Crump99 said: Agreed. I sort of get, and appreciate, the removal of his one line top surface. That can be replaced and the track improved and returned to it's former glory. I don't get the fence though, that only plays in to the AEPG narrative of needing the site cleared because they think that some other clowns are going to get in bed with them for their proposed Spring 2024 land sale. What value is there in a load of old wood? That would have been included in this never ending consortium negotiation. Chapman's played a blinder throughout 2023 for Butterfield and AEPG, has he got a PE postcode? The plan seems to be, forget 2024, fight the AEPG planning applications and hope that there is something left to return to in 2025? Hopefully Chapman has to explain himself at the AGM. The Speedway Control Bureau put in a powerful objection to 23/00400/OUT | Outline permission for up to 850 dwellings (shame that they didn't add to 23/00412/OUT | Outline permission for up to 650 dwellings which is where the speedway track sits) but they are happy for one of their members to seemingly be happy to lose a prime circuit and stadium to further weaken their product? The fence needed replacing during this close season anyway, it was rotten and held together by various bits and pieces. It’s important to note that AEPG instructed Buster to do this otherwise they would have employed contractors to do it and send him the bill. It’s been estimated that the removal of everything will cost £25k to £30k. Buster is most definitely not the bad guy here. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TTT 1,228 Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) It's really alarming then if Buster is assisting the bad guys, He should walk away now and let the consortium have full control and they'll at least fight and show some balls in trying to save the club. If AEPG told Buster to go and demolish the stand first thing on Monday morning then he would do it without hesitation, Which begs the question where does this end? Buster is a lackey for AEPG and he'll do anything they tell him to do now just to save himself from potentially having to pay for the destruction of the club's home. It's the equivalent of hiring someone to do you dirty work for you and it just sends out a clear message that Buster would rather see our club die instead of keeping the club alive out of his own pocket, Therefore he's not willing to fight for the club unlike consortium, council and fans. Edited November 12, 2023 by TTT 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mick Bratley 474 Posted November 12, 2023 25 minutes ago, TTT said: It's really alarming then if Buster is assisting the bad guys, He should walk away now and let the consortium have full control and they'll at least fight and show some balls in trying to save the club. If AEPG told Buster to go and demolish the stand first thing on Monday morning then he would do it without hesitation, Which begs the question where does this end? Buster is a lackey for AEPG and he'll do anything they tell him to do now just to save himself from potentially having to pay for the destruction of the club's home. It's the equivalent of hiring someone to do you dirty work for you and it just sends out a clear message that Buster would rather see our club die instead of keeping the club alive out of his own pocket, Therefore he's not willing to fight for the club unlike consortium, council and fans. Trust me, it really isn’t like that. Buster won't be demolishing the Grandstand as that is the property of the Showground not the Speedway club. The other issue is that the Grandstand has asbestos in it. Demolishing the Grandstand will be very costly, AEPG won’t be wanting to pay for that now. It is in their schedule to remove in several years time, subject of course to planning approval, they need planning approval before they can demolish it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crump99 4,476 Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, TTT said: He should walk away now and let the consortium have full control and they'll at least fight and show some balls in trying to save the club. He should have walked away before 2023 (or during it if someone had put in a written offer, which was his criteria allegedly?) but we still don't know why those pre-season talks failed at such a late stage? Probably explains the difficulties in any negotiations with him now? He may not be the bad guy but the longer it goes on the club loses and AEPG win so I'd hardly call him an asset? Edited November 12, 2023 by Crump99 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elyboy 3 Posted November 13, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 11:34 AM, Crump99 said: Agreed. I sort of get, and appreciate, the removal of his one line top surface. That can be replaced and the track improved and returned to it's former glory. I don't get the fence though, that only plays in to the AEPG narrative of needing the site cleared because they think that some other clowns are going to get in bed with them for their proposed Spring 2024 land sale. What value is there in a load of old wood? That would have been included in this never ending consortium negotiation. Chapman's played a blinder throughout 2023 for Butterfield and AEPG, has he got a PE postcode? The plan seems to be, forget 2024, fight the AEPG planning applications and hope that there is something left to return to in 2025? Hopefully Chapman has to explain himself at the AGM. The Speedway Control Bureau put in a powerful objection to 23/00400/OUT | Outline permission for up to 850 dwellings (shame that they didn't add to 23/00412/OUT | Outline permission for up to 650 dwellings which is where the speedway track sits) but they are happy for one of their members to seemingly be happy to lose a prime circuit and stadium to further weaken their product? SCB did object to 23/00142/out on the 26/9/2023 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crump99 4,476 Posted November 13, 2023 On 11/11/2023 at 8:29 AM, Mick Bratley said: the CEO is so worried about his development plans (which have received 1900 comments 99.75% of which are objections) has now enlisted his mates in the Home Counties to start submitting comments in support of the applications. Not forgetting employees within the PE postcode. Just looked at today's comedy edition from Stamford - comments: What a truly fantastic development and a great example of positive placemaking (what a giveaway, who uses terms like positive placemaking ) countered by someone local from Orton Waterville - The loss of the showground is a big mistake. It will have a detrimental effect on the local area and it will mean less visitors coming into the city and spending money here and the loss of entertainment for local people Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bald Bloke 3,287 Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) On 11/12/2023 at 1:17 PM, TTT said: It's really alarming then if Buster is assisting the bad guys, He should walk away now and let the consortium have full control and they'll at least fight and show some balls in trying to save the club. If AEPG told Buster to go and demolish the stand first thing on Monday morning then he would do it without hesitation, Which begs the question where does this end? Buster is a lackey for AEPG and he'll do anything they tell him to do now just to save himself from potentially having to pay for the destruction of the club's home. It's the equivalent of hiring someone to do you dirty work for you and it just sends out a clear message that Buster would rather see our club die instead of keeping the club alive out of his own pocket, Therefore he's not willing to fight for the club unlike consortium, council and fans. Buster, still getting it after Mick Bratley, who is about as close to this as you can get to the situation, posted this below... On 11/12/2023 at 12:31 PM, Mick Bratley said: The fence needed replacing during this close season anyway, it was rotten and held together by various bits and pieces. It’s important to note that AEPG instructed Buster to do this otherwise they would have employed contractors to do it and send him the bill. It’s been estimated that the removal of everything will cost £25k to £30k. Buster is most definitely not the bad guy here. Edited November 13, 2023 by Bald Bloke 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TTT 1,228 Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Bald Bloke said: Buster, still getting it after Mick Bratley, who is about as close to this as you can get to the situation, posted this below... Always getting it. The guy is as smug as they come, He encouraged everyone to chuck the towel in instead of putting up a fight to save the club. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldNutter 48 Posted November 13, 2023 On 11/11/2023 at 8:29 AM, Mick Bratley said: AEPG are amateurs in a big boys world of developing. The East of England Agricultural Society (who are getting an easy ride in this and pretty sure that’s going to change as time passes) must be wondering how they’ve got into bed with such a tin pot company, one where the CEO is so worried about his development plans (which have received 1900 comments 99.75% of which are objections) has now enlisted his mates in the Home Counties to start submitting comments in support of the applications. Like I said, tin pot. I used to think watching speedway was exciting, but it seems that Butterfield's mate's mates have invented something more exciting for the people around the M4 corridor to get their "excitement" fix. It seems that some of the sad clowns around there seem to think that waiting for houses to grow in the northern reaches of Cambs is exciting for them by the odd cloned objections overusing that adjective on the PCC planning site. They all appear need to use that odd sort of pre-formed property developer's English phrases to recently pretend they support the AEPG application(s). At least the majority of proper objectors still seem to be able to express their objections in their own words - I am sure PCC will be able to separate them. Not sure if it would be be sad or pathetic if I were to meet them in a "drinking establishment" round this part of the world in ten years time. Mind you I would probably stick to the pub. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bald Bloke 3,287 Posted November 13, 2023 2 hours ago, TTT said: Always getting it. The guy is as smug as they come, He encouraged everyone to chuck the towel in instead of putting up a fight to save the club. Everyone's entitled to their opinion of course. We knew the Showground was told it was it's last season almost a year ago now. Thats why MT was going to buy it then and find land to build another track..Buster was jacking at the end of the season whatever. He was only there this season because CJ bailed out...Your man said he was going to buy it then. It's a pity he didn't, for whatever reason. But I hope he comes good the 2nd time around, and buys the club this time, after all the hard work that MB and Co. have and are still putting in. No doubt we will know in due course if, as said by a few that brown envelopes are involved. If it was never for sale, and they are right, i will be the first one to give BC some poo, and it would be well justified. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crump99 4,476 Posted November 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Elyboy said: SCB did object to 23/00142/out on the 26/9/2023 Oh yes so they did, so thanks for that and apologies to them Point still stands though in what was the point as they've allowed Chapman to take the club down without any fight whatsoever. Paper never refuses ink but real positive action is a whole different competence, rarely found in overseeing speedway administration! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mick Bratley 474 Posted November 14, 2023 20 hours ago, Crump99 said: Just looked at today's comedy edition from Stamford - comments: What a truly fantastic development and a great example of positive placemaking (what a giveaway, who uses terms like positive placemaking ) I am sure that it’s purely coincidental that a firm of architects reside on that particular street in Stamford. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crump99 4,476 Posted November 14, 2023 On 11/13/2023 at 1:20 PM, Bald Bloke said: Buster, still getting it after Mick Bratley, who is about as close to this as you can get to the situation, posted this below... That'd be Mick Bratley with no official position who is trying to save the club as well as helping to organise, and attending, the Save Peterborough Speedway rally on Saturday Nov 18. One assumes that Buster will be there to offer his support and also address the fans who've filled his coffers during his tenure. The AEPG shackles are off now so he can explain what he's been playing at throughout 2023. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crump99 4,476 Posted November 14, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 11:34 AM, Crump99 said: The plan seems to be, forget 2024, fight the AEPG planning applications and hope that there is something left to return to in 2025? Consortium spokesman Carl Johnson added: “ We will continue to fight against AEPG getting planning permission for what they want to do and our goal is to have speedway at the Showground in 2025" (peterboroughtoday 14/11/23) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
