Peterborough Panthers 2023

[Mick Bratley 474]

53 minutes ago, OldNutter said:

Bigcatdiary has spotted a document on the planning portal at PCC that all of us should have a quick read of (thanks for that).  It is the one dated 22 Novermber and is listed with all of the objections.  It brings their views out into the public following the meeting for the two planning applications that were turned down recently that should have curdled Butterfield's breakfast cereal.  Probably the most significant bit of it is an overall theme that the tactic of splitting the site into two parts was a monumental mistake.  Far from making the plans slip under the various portal doors, it has actually opened up the whole plan for what it is - an attempt to concrete the showground  in an attempt to make loads of money in exchange for replacing a major Peterborough asset with little more than a thumbnail of silly unnecessary money making pretend sporting venues, a few corner shops and an unnecessary hotel.  Clearly from this document, PCC planners, helped by local councillors lots of active locals and proper sports fans, have finally seen right through the whole charade.

The tenure of that 22 Nov report is that the Local Plan was designed and passed into law with the aim of possibly adding a few new houses (although it is clear here that there are enough already on the planners books anyway) and keeping the showground as a working and very positive asset for the local area.  The loss of all those events that Butterfield and his cronies actively killed off by stopping them booking the showground are highlighted in the report and it is very clear indeed that the PCC planners didn't buy all those sneaky tactics and saw them for what they were - a gigantic con trick.  (applause please!)

There is a section on LP36 that points out that the way the development has been planned does almost certainly not meet the requirements spelled out in LP36 to retain the character and use of the showground with either the two plans or a big single one.  It specifically identifies the loss of the speedway  in this part of their comments.

The section on LP30 is absolutely devastating.  It specifically says that AEPG should not have served notice on the club to take the safety infrastructure and lighting down to make the club non-viable.  This is a loud barbed reference to the fact that making the club vacate the site is the real reason for Peterborough Panthers not being able to complete in speedway next season.  It also highlights the objection by Sport England, so a second round of applause. please.

I would venture to suggest that this PCC document is an excellent repost to any idea that Butterfield thinks it would be a good idea to appeal to the SoS against the first stage of the application that was so comprehensively rejected.  A third and hopefully final round of applause please to all those who helped to highlight all of the flaws in this silly idea and let's make sure we keep our boots on their throats until the whole Butterfield gang are ejected southwards back down that lovely newly surfaced bit of the A1(M).  I really do hope they will see the error of their ways although I am sure they will keep bashing away so  we must keep our eyes peeled for the next chapter in this sorry saga.

The shift in power of the council has definitely helped Speedway’s cause. The pressure we have put on AEPG is immense and guess what we’ve only just begun. The next two weeks are going to heap even more pressure on AEPG specifically with one confirmed (and as yet not announced publicly) event and one that I hope will be confirmed early next week. These two events will hit AEPG very hard. There is also another rally in the shopping centre of the ward where the Showground is on Saturday 2nd December.

Also worth pointing out that the document you mention above originates from the PCC Planning Department. Great to see that Speedway is specifically mentioned in LP30, which kicks AEPG in the nuts as they have recently stated in a statement that LP30 does not specifically relate to Speedway. ‘ave it!

 

Edited November 25, 2023 by Mick Bratley

[Flappy 1,605]

1 hour ago, Mick Bratley said:

The shift in power of the council has definitely helped Speedway’s cause. The pressure we have put on AEPG is immense and guess what we’ve only just begun. The next two weeks are going to heap even more pressure on AEPG specifically with one confirmed (and as yet not announced publicly) event and one that I hope will be confirmed early next week. These two events will hit AEPG very hard. There is also another rally in the shopping centre of the ward where the Showground is on Saturday 2nd December.

Also worth pointing out that the document you mention above originates from the PCC Planning Department. Great to see that Speedway is specifically mentioned in LP30, which kicks AEPG in the nuts as they have recently stated in a statement that LP30 does not specifically relate to Speedway. ‘ave it!

 

So why is our owner not fighting this?

[cowboy cookie returns? 747]

3 minutes ago, Flappy said:

So why is our owner not fighting this?

Because he doesn’t care & doesn’t want to promote Peterborough speedway. The ridiculous part of all this is had he put some effort in last winter or earlier this year to find out all that now come out about AEPG he may have found it easier to sell the club as undoubtedly Speedway could have continued at the showground

[Flappy 1,605]

3 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said:

Because he doesn’t care & doesn’t want to promote Peterborough speedway. The ridiculous part of all this is had he put some effort in last winter or earlier this year to find out all that now come out about AEPG he may have found it easier to sell the club as undoubtedly Speedway could have continued at the showground

Yet he's not being held to account, surely he's as culpable as Butterfield 

Edited November 25, 2023 by Flappy

[BluTiger 21,700]

7 minutes ago, Flappy said:

So why is our owner not fighting this?

Maybe he's on a big brown envelope promise, but has seriously underestimated those that have real passion for the club...

[Flappy 1,605]

1 hour ago, BluPanther said:

Maybe he's on a big brown envelope promise, but has seriously underestimated those that have real passion for the club...

Your words not mine but something very fishy going on

[Elyboy 3]

5 hours ago, OldNutter said:

Bigcatdiary has spotted a document on the planning portal at PCC that all of us should have a quick read of (thanks for that).  It is the one dated 22 Novermber and is listed with all of the objections.  It brings their views out into the public following the meeting for the two planning applications that were turned down recently that should have curdled Butterfield's breakfast cereal.  Probably the most significant bit of it is an overall theme that the tactic of splitting the site into two parts was a monumental mistake.  Far from making the plans slip under the various portal doors, it has actually opened up the whole plan for what it is - an attempt to concrete the showground  in an attempt to make loads of money in exchange for replacing a major Peterborough asset with little more than a thumbnail of silly unnecessary money making pretend sporting venues, a few corner shops and an unnecessary hotel.  Clearly from this document, PCC planners, helped by local councillors lots of active locals and proper sports fans, have finally seen right through the whole charade.

The tenure of that 22 Nov report is that the Local Plan was designed and passed into law with the aim of possibly adding a few new houses (although it is clear here that there are enough already on the planners books anyway) and keeping the showground as a working and very positive asset for the local area.  The loss of all those events that Butterfield and his cronies actively killed off by stopping them booking the showground are highlighted in the report and it is very clear indeed that the PCC planners didn't buy all those sneaky tactics and saw them for what they were - a gigantic con trick.  (applause please!)

There is a section on LP36 that points out that the way the development has been planned does almost certainly not meet the requirements spelled out in LP36 to retain the character and use of the showground with either the two plans or a big single one.  It specifically identifies the loss of the speedway  in this part of their comments.

The section on LP30 is absolutely devastating.  It specifically says that AEPG should not have served notice on the club to take the safety infrastructure and lighting down to make the club non-viable.  This is a loud barbed reference to the fact that making the club vacate the site is the real reason for Peterborough Panthers not being able to complete in speedway next season.  It also highlights the objection by Sport England, so a second round of applause. please.

I would venture to suggest that this PCC document is an excellent repost to any idea that Butterfield thinks it would be a good idea to appeal to the SoS against the first stage of the application that was so comprehensively rejected.  A third and hopefully final round of applause please to all those who helped to highlight all of the flaws in this silly idea and let's make sure we keep our boots on their throats until the whole Butterfield gang are ejected southwards back down that lovely newly surfaced bit of the A1(M).  I really do hope they will see the error of their ways although I am sure they will keep bashing away so  we must keep our eyes peeled for the next chapter in this sorry saga.

Just read it and not in apeg favor is it

 

5 hours ago, OldNutter said:

Bigcatdiary has spotted a document on the planning portal at PCC that all of us should have a quick read of (thanks for that).  It is the one dated 22 Novermber and is listed with all of the objections.  It brings their views out into the public following the meeting for the two planning applications that were turned down recently that should have curdled Butterfield's breakfast cereal.  Probably the most significant bit of it is an overall theme that the tactic of splitting the site into two parts was a monumental mistake.  Far from making the plans slip under the various portal doors, it has actually opened up the whole plan for what it is - an attempt to concrete the showground  in an attempt to make loads of money in exchange for replacing a major Peterborough asset with little more than a thumbnail of silly unnecessary money making pretend sporting venues, a few corner shops and an unnecessary hotel.  Clearly from this document, PCC planners, helped by local councillors lots of active locals and proper sports fans, have finally seen right through the whole charade.

The tenure of that 22 Nov report is that the Local Plan was designed and passed into law with the aim of possibly adding a few new houses (although it is clear here that there are enough already on the planners books anyway) and keeping the showground as a working and very positive asset for the local area.  The loss of all those events that Butterfield and his cronies actively killed off by stopping them booking the showground are highlighted in the report and it is very clear indeed that the PCC planners didn't buy all those sneaky tactics and saw them for what they were - a gigantic con trick.  (applause please!)

There is a section on LP36 that points out that the way the development has been planned does almost certainly not meet the requirements spelled out in LP36 to retain the character and use of the showground with either the two plans or a big single one.  It specifically identifies the loss of the speedway  in this part of their comments.

The section on LP30 is absolutely devastating.  It specifically says that AEPG should not have served notice on the club to take the safety infrastructure and lighting down to make the club non-viable.  This is a loud barbed reference to the fact that making the club vacate the site is the real reason for Peterborough Panthers not being able to complete in speedway next season.  It also highlights the objection by Sport England, so a second round of applause. please.

I would venture to suggest that this PCC document is an excellent repost to any idea that Butterfield thinks it would be a good idea to appeal to the SoS against the first stage of the application that was so comprehensively rejected.  A third and hopefully final round of applause please to all those who helped to highlight all of the flaws in this silly idea and let's make sure we keep our boots on their throats until the whole Butterfield gang are ejected southwards back down that lovely newly surfaced bit of the A1(M).  I really do hope they will see the error of their ways although I am sure they will keep bashing away so  we must keep our eyes peeled for the next chapter in this sorry saga.

 

[Elyboy 3]

4 hours ago, Mick Bratley said:

The shift in power of the council has definitely helped Speedway’s cause. The pressure we have put on AEPG is immense and guess what we’ve only just begun. The next two weeks are going to heap even more pressure on AEPG specifically with one confirmed (and as yet not announced publicly) event and one that I hope will be confirmed early next week. These two events will hit AEPG very hard. There is also another rally in the shopping centre of the ward where the Showground is on Saturday 2nd December.

Also worth pointing out that the document you mention above originates from the PCC Planning Department. Great to see that Speedway is specifically mentioned in LP30, which kicks AEPG in the nuts as they have recently stated in a statement that LP30 does not specifically relate to Speedway. ‘ave it!

 

And clearly states Peterborough speedway  is fit for  purpose 

[Crump99 4,476]

23 hours ago, OldNutter said:

I would venture to suggest that this PCC document is an excellent repost to any idea that Butterfield thinks it would be a good idea to appeal to the SoS against the first stage of the application that was so comprehensively rejected.  A third and hopefully final round of applause please to all those who helped to highlight all of the flaws in this silly idea and let's make sure we keep our boots on their throats until the whole Butterfield gang are ejected southwards back down that lovely newly surfaced bit of the A1(M).  I really do hope they will see the error of their ways although I am sure they will keep bashing away so  we must keep our eyes peeled for the next chapter in this sorry saga. 

Glad that I read that again because the first bit answered what I remembered you saying about going to the SoS if their applications are rejected when they eventually get examined by PCC and hopefully thrown out.

Secondly, Butterfield is, IMO, incapable of admitting that he's wrong so will keep chipping away throughout 2024, trying to plug the gaps in AEPG's increasingly unpopular concrete vision and attending more dinners for influential business people that he somehow keeps appearing at trying to make out that he's one of them.

The longer it goes on the worse it looks for EEAS/AEPG so keeping the pressure on as Bratters and co are doing is vital. If they can I think that AEPG will go early. Bearing in mind that it was reported in September that:

• Peterborough Panthers speedway team informed in 2022 that the 2023 season would sadly have to be their last in the Showground grandstand, as that area is expected to be under different ownership by the time the 2024 Speedway season begins.
• Sale of the land is expected to be approved by Spring 2024, again subject to planning approval.
• The spades-in-the-ground date is still unclear until the planning committee's decision. Plans are at the outline planning stage now, which will be referred to several more stages of detailed back-and-forth, no doubt, before anything can physically go ahead. 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2023 by Crump99

[Sully 274]

17 hours ago, OldNutter said:

Bigcatdiary has spotted a document on the planning portal at PCC that all of us should have a quick read of (thanks for that).  It is the one dated 22 Novermber and is listed with all of the objections.  It brings their views out into the public following the meeting for the two planning applications that were turned down recently that should have curdled Butterfield's breakfast cereal.  Probably the most significant bit of it is an overall theme that the tactic of splitting the site into two parts was a monumental mistake.  Far from making the plans slip under the various portal doors, it has actually opened up the whole plan for what it is - an attempt to concrete the showground  in an attempt to make loads of money in exchange for replacing a major Peterborough asset with little more than a thumbnail of silly unnecessary money making pretend sporting venues, a few corner shops and an unnecessary hotel.  Clearly from this document, PCC planners, helped by local councillors lots of active locals and proper sports fans, have finally seen right through the whole charade.

The tenure of that 22 Nov report is that the Local Plan was designed and passed into law with the aim of possibly adding a few new houses (although it is clear here that there are enough already on the planners books anyway) and keeping the showground as a working and very positive asset for the local area.  The loss of all those events that Butterfield and his cronies actively killed off by stopping them booking the showground are highlighted in the report and it is very clear indeed that the PCC planners didn't buy all those sneaky tactics and saw them for what they were - a gigantic con trick.  (applause please!)

There is a section on LP36 that points out that the way the development has been planned does almost certainly not meet the requirements spelled out in LP36 to retain the character and use of the showground with either the two plans or a big single one.  It specifically identifies the loss of the speedway  in this part of their comments.

The section on LP30 is absolutely devastating.  It specifically says that AEPG should not have served notice on the club to take the safety infrastructure and lighting down to make the club non-viable.  This is a loud barbed reference to the fact that making the club vacate the site is the real reason for Peterborough Panthers not being able to complete in speedway next season.  It also highlights the objection by Sport England, so a second round of applause. please.

I would venture to suggest that this PCC document is an excellent repost to any idea that Butterfield thinks it would be a good idea to appeal to the SoS against the first stage of the application that was so comprehensively rejected.  A third and hopefully final round of applause please to all those who helped to highlight all of the flaws in this silly idea and let's make sure we keep our boots on their throats until the whole Butterfield gang are ejected southwards back down that lovely newly surfaced bit of the A1(M).  I really do hope they will see the error of their ways although I am sure they will keep bashing away so  we must keep our eyes peeled for the next chapter in this sorry saga.

Have you a link to this please? 

[Mick Bratley 474]

2 hours ago, Sully said:

Have you a link to this please? 

http://plandocs.peterborough.gov.uk/PublicAccess.WebSearch/(S(33qzxbe541ggm4e1rx5qcxun))/Results.aspx
 

Currently second document down PCC Policy.

While you’re there submit your own objection!

Here: https://planpa.peterborough.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=makeComment&keyVal=RSXWVDML04U00

And here: https://planpa.peterborough.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=makeComment&keyVal=RSOMJ0MLIWV00

[Mick Bratley 474]

4 hours ago, Crump99 said:

Glad that I read that again because the first bit answered what I remembered you saying about going to the SoS if their applications are rejected when they eventually get examined by PCC and hopefully thrown out.

Secondly, Butterfield is, IMO, incapable of admitting that he's wrong so will keep chipping away throughout 2024, trying to plug the gaps in AEPG's increasingly unpopular concrete vision and attending more dinners for influential business people that he somehow keeps appearing at trying to make out that he's one of them.

The longer it goes on the worse it looks for EEAS/AEPG so keeping the pressure on as Bratters and co are doing, is vital. If they can I think that AEPG will go early. Bearing in mind that it was reported in September that:

• Peterborough Panthers speedway team informed in 2022 that the 2023 season would sadly have to be their last in the Showground grandstand, as that area is expected to be under different ownership by the time the 2024 Speedway season begins.
• Sale of the land is expected to be approved by Spring 2024, again subject to planning approval.
• The spades-in-the-ground date is still unclear until the planning committee's decision. Plans are at the outline planning stage now, which will be referred to several more stages of detailed back-and-forth, no doubt, before anything can physically go ahead. 

 

 

He was pictured in the press last week attending a homeless charity! Why I don’t know, maybe something to do with affordable homes. Luckily the reporter knew of him and refused to interview him, as hard as he may have tried to get interviewed. Tinpot.

[RogerM22 95]

48 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said:

He was pictured in the press last week attending a homeless charity! Why I don’t know, maybe something to do with affordable homes. Luckily the reporter knew of him and refused to interview him, as hard as he may have tried to get interviewed. Tinpot.

Perhaps he was acquainting himself ready for when his whole plan comes crumbling down.

[Crump99 4,476]

40 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said:

He was pictured in the press last week attending a homeless charity! Why I don’t know, maybe something to do with affordable homes. Luckily the reporter knew of him and refused to interview him, as hard as he may have tried to get interviewed. Tinpot.

Ideal attendee. He thinks that he's important and welcome in our city but at the same time looks like one of the homeless. Covers all bases

I didn't see AEPG on the sponsor list either? Either they are running out of money, realising that they are unpopular or realising that they can't buy good publicity. I looked at many of the Great Eastern Run reports and despite the big splash they made of their sponsorship I never saw them mentioned.

[Mick Bratley 474]

2 hours ago, Crump99 said:

Ideal attendee. He thinks that he's important and welcome in our city but at the same time looks like one of the homeless. Covers all bases

I didn't see AEPG on the sponsor list either? Either they are running out of money, realising that they are unpopular or realising that they can't buy good publicity. I looked at many of the Great Eastern Run reports and despite the big splash they made of their sponsorship I never saw them mentioned.

Third from the left in this picture. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-67491812