Roger Jacobs 563 Posted January 28, 2023 On 1/26/2023 at 7:24 PM, foreverblue said: So if it is badly written then that is a loophole which is not in the spirit of the rule. Robert Lambert also said there was a chance he could be back this season but that was never going to happen. It all seemed very wrong to me and I hope it will never happen again. Fascinating that nobody seems to have complained about Sheffield and Ipswich exploiting the same Regulation. It certainly was of benefit to the Tigers. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,125 Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: Fascinating that nobody seems to have complained about Sheffield and Ipswich exploiting the same Regulation. It certainly was of benefit to the Tigers. Because they didn't change their team until the week of the play-offs, in fact Lambert didn't ride in the first leg of the play off semi. You should not be allowed to change your team mid playoffs. Edited January 28, 2023 by foreverblue 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pauldoveyspeedway 148 Posted January 28, 2023 On 1/26/2023 at 10:08 PM, stevebrum said: Plus given the fact the BSPL have closed that door for 2023 shows they knew the loophole had been exploited. Course it was.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,836 Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) On 1/28/2023 at 4:52 PM, Roger Jacobs said: Has the Regulation been rewritten? 2023 version hasn’t been published yet … Some article in SS or on BSPL (can’t remember which) confirming that change will happen. Being able to bring a new signing replacement mid play offs wasn’t in the rule book neither otherwise many teams before them would have used that particular rule (now known as the Belle Vue only rule) not that it ever was a rule which was pretty obvious. Edited January 30, 2023 by stevebrum Added info Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,849 Posted January 30, 2023 Not even for season ending injury? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roger Jacobs 563 Posted January 30, 2023 4 hours ago, stevebrum said: Some article in SS or on BSPL (can’t remember which) confirming that change will happen. Being able to bring a new signing replacement mid play offs wasn’t in the rule book neither otherwise many teams before them would have used that particular rule (now known as the Belle Vue only rule) not that it ever was a rule which was pretty obvious. The article in the Speedway Star mentioned transfer windows - it made no mention at all of the Regulation containing the Long Term Injury statement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roger Jacobs 563 Posted January 30, 2023 On 1/28/2023 at 5:02 PM, foreverblue said: Because they didn't change their team until the week of the play-offs, in fact Lambert didn't ride in the first leg of the play off semi. You should not be allowed to change your team mid playoffs. Max Fricke was injured! Why do the whingers keep making it sound as though BV made a tactical change? They had suffered in the play-offs before when losing a rider, and this time they were able to bring in a replacement, within the Regulations. Of course, no-one would batted an eyelid if the Aces had been forced to use a guest or R/R and Sheffield had waltzed to victory ... "Unlucky Aces, play-offs injury curse strikes again", etc. As it was, the Regulations allowed the change because of the specific circumstances of Fricke's absence. In reality, Sheffield lost because of Holder's awful performance (and, to a lesser extent, Howarth's erratic riding) at Belle Vue. But that's speedway. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,125 Posted January 30, 2023 52 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: Max Fricke was injured! Why do the whingers keep making it sound as though BV made a tactical change? They had suffered in the play-offs before when losing a rider, and this time they were able to bring in a replacement, within the Regulations. Of course, no-one would batted an eyelid if the Aces had been forced to use a guest or R/R and Sheffield had waltzed to victory ... "Unlucky Aces, play-offs injury curse strikes again", etc. As it was, the Regulations allowed the change because of the specific circumstances of Fricke's absence. In reality, Sheffield lost because of Holder's awful performance (and, to a lesser extent, Howarth's erratic riding) at Belle Vue. But that's speedway. Can you quote the regulation regarding long term injury replacement? in my opinion you should not be allowed a change during the play offs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PotteringAround 654 Posted January 30, 2023 20 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Can you quote the regulation regarding long term injury replacement? in my opinion you should not be allowed a change during the play offs. If you mean the regulation about the transfer window exception in the event of "Proven long-term injury" then it's the last paragraph of SR 012.2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,125 Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, PotteringAround said: If you mean the regulation about the transfer window exception in the event of "Proven long-term injury" then it's the last paragraph of SR 012.2 Thanks. Edited January 30, 2023 by foreverblue Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roger Jacobs 563 Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, PotteringAround said: If you mean the regulation about the transfer window exception in the event of "Proven long-term injury" then it's the last paragraph of SR 012.2 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: Thanks. "A Premiership Transfer Window opens after 25% of the League fixtures are complete and closes when 75% of League fixtures are complete. This permits changes to the team on 2 occasions, except for proven long term injury." 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,716 Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Roger Jacobs said: "A Premiership Transfer Window opens after 25% of the League fixtures are complete and closes when 75% of League fixtures are complete. This permits changes to the team on 2 occasions, except for proven long term injury." But provides no context for "long term" An injury could occur in early August meaning a rider would be out for 4 weeks. Not really long term and certainly not season ending - only miss 30% of remainder A lesser injury in mid September resulting in 2 weeks rest being required is similarly not long term in itself but effectively season ending as potentially misses 100% of remainder 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyderd 1,216 Posted January 31, 2023 12 hours ago, foreverblue said: Can you quote the regulation regarding long term injury replacement? in my opinion you should not be allowed a change during the play offs. That's your opinion, but then again, you're a Poole fan and if it doesn't benefit Poole it's not fair. Grow up and get a life. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,125 Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, hyderd said: That's your opinion, but then again, you're a Poole fan and if it doesn't benefit Poole it's not fair. Grow up and get a life. It is my opinion and I am not sure why being a Poole fan has any bearing on it, telling me to grow up and get a life is a bit of a childish thing to say in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therefused 833 Posted January 31, 2023 Well at least all Belle Vue fans know that it was a tainted victory for 2022. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
