Call me wolfie 677 Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Anyone calling Masters a genuine No1 has clearly had to much drink over the holidays. A genuine No1 doesn't also ride Championship speedway, they'd be in the top leagues on the continent. Masters is boosted by his home track. Away averages including BP's in 22; Doyle 9.87 Musielak 8.42 Kurtz 8.19 Fricke 8.10 Masters 8.09 From that list only Doyle & Fricke can be considered genuine No1's. Fast forward to 23 & (predicted) incomers of C.Holder, Iversen, Pedersen, Sayfutdinov, Masters should slip down the order. His only saving grace will be his home track & no rider's within his own team to challenge the No1 jersey. Whereas, Belle Vue, Sheffield, Peterborough, Ipswich (with predicted incomings) have genuine challenges from within their own team to be the No1. I must say I didn’t realise the difference in being a no 1 and a genuine no 1 was a massive 0.01, Sam really must try harder next year, disgraceful. For gods sake, you couldn’t make some of this rubbish up. Why only Doyle and Fricke? Oh let me guess, because they’re in the GP’s. Edited January 4, 2023 by Call me wolfie 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,202 Posted January 5, 2023 7 hours ago, Pauldoveyspeedway said: If he was an out and out number 1....he'd make the GPs.... I'm sure everyone would admit Jason Doyle is an out & out number one, but he's not qualified for the GPs in the last two seasons (relied on a seeded spot) so can't use that as an example to suggest Masters isn't an out & out number one imo 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy Sweetman 480 Posted January 5, 2023 22 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Kurtz, C.Holder, Tungate are levels above Masters. 4th on the list isn't worthy when Doyle, Fricke & J.Holder are already GP rider's. Think about it this way, like (potentially) Ipswich has Doyle & Sayfutdinov, Belle Vue Bewley & Kurtz, Peterborough C.Holder & Pedersen, for example, where would Masters be if Lindgren & Woffinden were available to Wolves?? The answer would prove Masters ISN'T a genuine No1, even at Premiership level. Secondly, there wouldn't be many takers for Masters on his average at any other Premiership club This is guy has been playing to much Blinds Man's Bluff.Tungate levels above Sam Masters lol . Embarrassing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pauldoveyspeedway 148 Posted January 5, 2023 26 minutes ago, Tommy Sweetman said: This is guy has been playing to much Blinds Man's Bluff.Tungate levels above Sam Masters lol . Embarrassing. S.Masters is a good rider but wont mix it into the first bend ..........not like Fast Freddy or N.Pedersen.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,709 Posted January 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Tommy Sweetman said: This is guy has been playing to much Blinds Man's Bluff.Tungate levels above Sam Masters lol . Embarrassing. Shows how little knowledge of the sport you have if you can't see Tungate is levels above Masters 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arch Stanton 2,323 Posted January 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Shows how little knowledge of the sport you have if you can't see Tungate is levels above Masters You’ve gotta be on a wind up here surely? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Call me wolfie 677 Posted January 5, 2023 34 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: You’ve gotta be on a wind up here surely? Either that or on the shandy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
89buttons 774 Posted January 5, 2023 Depends what country you’re going on tbh, Tungate has progressed further on the continent on big wide open fast tracks. Masters far far superior in the uk. Wouldn’t say either is particularly strides ahead of the other really, think masters has better bike skills tho, Tungate is good on big fast tracks because he’s so light and loves the throttle wide open…can’t actually turn the bike tho or adapt to the varying challenges of uk tracks 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfie456 505 Posted January 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, 89buttons said: Depends what country you’re going on tbh, Tungate has progressed further on the continent on big wide open fast tracks. Masters far far superior in the uk. Wouldn’t say either is particularly strides ahead of the other really, think masters has better bike skills tho, Tungate is good on big fast tracks because he’s so light and loves the throttle wide open…can’t actually turn the bike tho or adapt to the varying challenges of uk tracks Hes just a dangerous little throttle jockey on smaller tracks 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Irving 393 Posted January 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, 89buttons said: Depends what country you’re going on tbh, Tungate has progressed further on the continent on big wide open fast tracks. Masters far far superior in the uk. Wouldn’t say either is particularly strides ahead of the other really, think masters has better bike skills tho, Tungate is good on big fast tracks because he’s so light and loves the throttle wide open…can’t actually turn the bike tho or adapt to the varying challenges of uk tracks Surely the discussion is the UK? He’s talking absolute bollocks by stating Masters isn’t a genuine number 1 in this league when he blatantly is. This is similar to “Holder Fricke and Kurtz are now better riders than Doyle” that we heard last winter when the fact is those riders aren’t in the same stratosphere as Doyle in this Country. There isn’t a single fan of a UK club that would pick Tungate in their side over Sam Masters. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BluTiger 21,719 Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Steve Irving said: Surely the discussion is the UK? He’s talking absolute bollocks by stating Masters isn’t a genuine number 1 in this league when he blatantly is. This is similar to “Holder Fricke and Kurtz are now better riders than Doyle” that we heard last winter when the fact is those riders aren’t in the same stratosphere as Doyle in this Country. There isn’t a single fan of a UK club that would pick Tungate in their side over Sam Masters. There is probably one... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
89buttons 774 Posted January 5, 2023 26 minutes ago, Steve Irving said: Surely the discussion is the UK? He’s talking absolute bollocks by stating Masters isn’t a genuine number 1 in this league when he blatantly is. This is similar to “Holder Fricke and Kurtz are now better riders than Doyle” that we heard last winter when the fact is those riders aren’t in the same stratosphere as Doyle in this Country. There isn’t a single fan of a UK club that would pick Tungate in their side over Sam Masters. In terms of number 1’s in the league as an Ipswich fan I’d only take Doyle and bewley ahead of masters at Ipswich 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pauldoveyspeedway 148 Posted January 5, 2023 27 minutes ago, Blupanther said: There is probably one... Masters over tungate anyday ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pauldoveyspeedway 148 Posted January 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, 89buttons said: In terms of number 1’s in the league as an Ipswich fan I’d only take Doyle and bewley ahead of masters at Ipswich Thats at Ipswich tho .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillipsr 2,062 Posted January 6, 2023 Sheffield look the best and its between Wolves and Kings Lynn as the worst... Wolves have a massive home advantage which should see them finish second from bottom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
