Big Al 708 Posted November 14, 2023 5 hours ago, Skidder1 said: ...getting a last minute flight to Tenerife, I imagine!! He doesn't want to miss the pi**- up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,043 Posted November 15, 2023 On 11/12/2023 at 7:49 PM, szkocjasid said: As they haven't listed any changes to the RS criteria, I believe all of the 2023 "rising stars" are still eligible to remain in that role for 2024? On 11/14/2023 at 10:45 AM, W9 Lion said: Wont Kemp be to old? The rule was something like under 25 or 26 at the start of the season, so Kemp could have potentially 4 or 5 more seasons (unless he averages over 5.5) as a "riding star". That was the rule when it was introduced & I've not seen any changes announced since then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teromaafan 586 Posted November 15, 2023 13 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: The rule was something like under 25 or 26 at the start of the season, so Kemp could have potentially 4 or 5 more seasons (unless he averages over 5.5) as a "riding star". That was the rule when it was introduced & I've not seen any changes announced since then. The term ‘Rising Star’ should imply youngster on the way up. Riders in their mid twenties should not be put in this category for team structures. The RS position is currently protected in heat formats and in my opinion, riders of that age should be able or prepared to mix it with all riders in the league. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,043 Posted November 16, 2023 20 hours ago, Teromaafan said: The term ‘Rising Star’ should imply youngster on the way up. Riders in their mid twenties should not be put in this category for team structures. The RS position is currently protected in heat formats and in my opinion, riders of that age should be able or prepared to mix it with all riders in the league. I honestly believe they made the rules so Josh Bates would fit (he was just under the qualifying averages in both leagues). But I think it's worked out ok tbh. If the rule was just U-21s, you could end up with riders well out of their depth in the Premiership. Plus they want to cater for any late starters in the sport I guess? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted November 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I honestly believe they made the rules so Josh Bates would fit (he was just under the qualifying averages in both leagues). But I think it's worked out ok tbh. If the rule was just U-21s, you could end up with riders well out of their depth in the Premiership. Plus they want to cater for any late starters in the sport I guess? The rising star initiative in its current guise should be nowhere near the Premiership The Championship should hang its head in shame that they dropped it 11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben91 1,743 Posted November 17, 2023 10 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I honestly believe they made the rules so Josh Bates would fit (he was just under the qualifying averages in both leagues). But I think it's worked out ok tbh. If the rule was just U-21s, you could end up with riders well out of their depth in the Premiership. Plus they want to cater for any late starters in the sport I guess? Another example of the sport pandering to riders. If you’re a late starter then your route to the top may be slightly harder. Get on with it. The competitor should bend to the rules of the sport, not the other way round. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,043 Posted November 17, 2023 12 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: The rising star initiative in its current guise should be nowhere near the Premiership The Championship should hang its head in shame that they dropped it I wholeheartedly agree with the second part, but think the RS scheme works well for both leagues. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2ndbendbeerhut 1,781 Posted November 17, 2023 2 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I wholeheartedly agree with the second part, but think the RS scheme works well for both leagues. How does the RS scheme work for the Championship? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerM22 95 Posted November 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: How does the RS scheme work for the Championship? By creating a pathway for young riders at Championship clubs to ride against some of the best in the world, improving them and subsequently their scores at Championship level? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2ndbendbeerhut 1,781 Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, RogerM22 said: By creating a pathway for young riders at Championship clubs to ride against some of the best in the world, improving them and subsequently their scores at Championship level? How it trailing half a lap behind "some of the best in the world " going to improve them? Edited November 17, 2023 by 2ndbendbeerhut Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerM22 95 Posted November 17, 2023 1 hour ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: How it trailing half a lap behind "some of the best in the world " going to improve them? Do you think either Thompson twin found no benefit in riding with Doyle/Emil and against other world class riders? Maybe they'd improve anyway, but what's wrong with guaranteeing them a space? It should be a thing in both leagues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klstarsfan 16 Posted November 17, 2023 Constantly riding against easier opponents is not going to improve a young rider, they need the challenge! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pauldoveyspeedway 144 Posted November 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, klstarsfan said: Constantly riding against easier opponents is not going to improve a young rider, they need the challenge! To be the best you have to ride against the best .. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FishersGate 522 Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 11:33 AM, FishersGate said: His lad is a junior speedway rider. P Cairns. Well well well.....its almost like I always knew all along Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,043 Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: How it trailing half a lap behind "some of the best in the world " going to improve them? If you look at the averages of the best 7 "riding stars" they are fair aves for reserves imo, so shows the quality is there to continue with the RS system imo. If they all averaged below 3.00, I'd agree the system doesn't work in the Prem. J.Jenkins (4.21) D.Kemp (4.04) L.Flint (4.00) A.Rowe (3.76) D.Thompson (3.70) D.Gilkes (3.67) C.Bailey (3.57) Biggest flaw this year was clubs not using the best options, so a couple of riders may have been out of their depth. Even if there's injuries, still riders like Jack Thomas, Jason Edwards, Henry Atkins & Ashton Boughen waiting in the wings. Getting off topic now, So for Leicester, I'd go with Kemp as my RS. Edited November 17, 2023 by szkocjasid 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites