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At the recent fans forum we were told about the tie up with the Polish club and the advantages to both teams youngsters. What was also said was the owners are aware that Poland is the most successful speedway nation in the world, that their business model is obviously working, and that it is something we can learn from. This is looking ahead to also improve Belle Vue as a club and the way its run seeing how they do things and if we could implement certain ideas.No doubt if a certain southern based club were doing this some would be telling us how innovative this is instead of trying to diss it. The sport in this country needs this kind of forward thinking instead of treading the same old path that obviously isnt working.

I can't imagine anyone being against team race suits. Can you imagine putting out a football team with players wearing different strips? When they were first introduced I thought finally the sport was being taken seriously by promoters and to not have them now is a backward step IMHO.

No brainer, they are a must in terms of a professional image nowadays.

I don't like either team suits or race jackets. There's no scope for merchandise. i.e. joe public wouldn't wear either out and about as people tend to with football/rugby/cricket/ice hockey/basketball/NFL/baseball kits. The kevlars should be considered as safety kit worn under a team shirt, that supporters could buy replicas of. I seem to remember Boro Bears (and others) trying these in the 90's but the designs were awful, they were baggy and the riders used to cut the arms off to display more sponsors so they looked shabby. Designed correctly they would be relatively inexpensive and could be made available to supporters. Got to be better than those god ugly wulfsport anoraks. Guaranteed to make any new supporter run a mile.

That's about the right mentality of British Speedway, the sort of thing you'd expect to hear in a year 4 art class - not a professional league full of different teams. Massive marketing opportunities missed by not having team suits and a complete amateurish feel. Teamsuits are an absolute must. I think it's poor that even some National League teams have them and they aren't being considered by some teams in the Premier League.

It’s no trade secret - Nicolai Klindt, I just asked him how many suits did Poole supply you with in 2016. He said one, same with all the team. The Danish rider I manage, rode in Uk 2013-2016 and the 2 teams he rode for only supplied him with one suit per season.

A big yes to team race suits from me.I support the Belle vue aces with a passion and I like the club I support to look like a team.Just like any other team sport I can think of. Like most supporters of any team in any sport the teams colours and logo are a big part of sport.Seeing my team dressed in red white and black with a big ace of clubs on their chest gives me a buzz even before the 1st race begins.

Exactly. Except that was a long time ago, so the point stands, the racing isn't the cause. It's the gradual decline in crowds due to lost fans due to natural wastage not being replaced by new ones. As the crowd dwindles, the atmosphere dwindles, the same race seems less exciting.. any newcomer is greeted by a less good atmosphere and doesn't get hooked into it.

I’ve never known any team supply a rider with 2 kevlar suits in a season. If the suit got damaged would have repaired/sewn patches etc. or during a meeting gaffa tape does the job. Re logos on Kevlars, in my experience team send rider a template design of the suit. Official team sponsors logos are in place on suit or the positions are marked as reserved for team sponsor logos. Riders then can place personal sponsor logos in the unreserved spots.

Id disagree with that 100%, in my opinion the riding standard today is the highest I have seen since I first watched in the 60's. Modern day riders do things on the bike that their forebears couldn't have imagined doing, some of that is down to bikes and tracks but they still have to be the ones doing it. Not only the that but the commitment of the majority riders to each race is higher as well in my opinion.

Controversial it may be but a goodly number of those who have walked away have done so for that reason - the racing is a poor standard compared to even 15 - 20 years ago ( never mind 40 years ago ). And that is not a view through my rose tinted glasses. First away ( or out of the second bend ) and the vast majority of races are over. Newbies are not into the subtleties of speedway and are not likely to be impressed by what is now "speedway chasing". I am close to walking away for that and other reasons and will certainly pick my matches this season.

Team suits all day long for me Not having them now would be a big backward step Cost is a red herring too - each suit is the equivalent of a routine service for an engine

Somebody has mentioned some Swedish sides not using them and how that doesn't look as good. Any team, whether that be a club or national side, looks far less professional and like a proper 'team' if they don't have matching race suits.

Atmosphere makes so much difference to the overall experience Thats why some of us in the back straight stand at Foxhall got together and made a very conscious effort to make some noise - horns, bells, whistles, megaphones allsorts. It has grown and spread to other parts of the stadium and has made a noticeable difference It has also helped to reconnect the riders with the fans which itself has built on that difference to create something approaching a real buzz which had been missing for sometime

pay no attention to the Poole rider, you should be listening to Starman, he knows best!

Jeez, the internet hasn’t turned People into a bunch of soft ollies. i can remember going to press day and no-one knew who any of the team were. A team that then went on to win every competition put in front of them. Don’t panic!

If we are talking TV let's go a stage further. It is very difficult to tell one home rider from another (and away rider) by helmet colour alone especially on TV. If each rider had a lycra* (or similar) top that fits over kevlars, said top could still have all the team sponsors, and individual ones on. The kevlars underneath could be to the riders own design and worn abroad or in individual meetings. Such tops would be far cheaper to replace when riders are sacked or signed mid season. Riders in blue obviously have tops with blue as the base colour, Riders in red have a red base etc. *The tops must be tailored or stretch and not baggy flappy things. I agree with all the comments about baggy tops/bibs etc not being professional but surely a top that fits and looks smart to go over kevlars is not impossible to achieve.

£12000 I would assume was not 7 riders, but plus others who replaced riders during the season. When it comes to Kevlar suits there are some good quality and some very poor quality ones. A good quality one with leather logos sewn on rather than printed on suit will cost over £1000 + vat

Well if they cant stick to the original plans and the stadium not being relocated is a problem to the houses then the houses need to be demolished..... That makes sense to me!

No it isn't. Doesn't matter how many times you say something when the evidence to prove your statement false is available to view on a number of platforms. I've already explained it numerous times. An average race in a big crowd will seem like a great one. The exact same race in front of a sparse crowd will seem poor. THAT is the problem now, lack of crowds, atmosphere and the racing doesn't seem as good as a result to most.

There is a huge difference between riding and racing standards. The dedicated speedway fan may find a great ride by someone way out in front absorbing and impressive, but I suspect most are more interested in seeing a race. They're the ones we need to get back and please.

Let's face it well over half the meeting is all about time wasting. How often do we see 4 riders coming up towards the tapes when one will turn round and do a scenic tour of the track often back to the third bend only to see him return and then another will decide to turn back. As they finally get in position at the start after much faffing around the tapes go up -- a false start they call a rerun and then the pit gates open and the whole saga starts once more. Often rain is forecast later in the evening and with all this time wasting the rain eventually reaches the track, eventually after more time wasting the meeting is either called or postponed, then they wonder why the crowds get smaller. I realise that without all this time wasting the meetings would be over in 45 minutes, but sometimes this time wasting get excessive and it just becomes one whole farce, at around admission for around £15 a head this does not appear value for money.

The only people who prefer bibs to team suits are the dinosaurs of the sport. Frankly the dinosaurs have done enough damage. If we want this to be a professional sport then we need to start acting professionally. Unfortunately many of the promoters have resigned themselves to trying to please the old folks and have practically given up on fresh blood.

It's not even the non professional look that worries me as a complete oversight by teams, it's the fact they've failed to see the massive marketing opportunities in front of them. Instead of seeing it as a waste of money, they should be viewing it as a massive way of MAKING money - that's the biggest concern!

It has to be good real forward thinking was Dent Oliver years ahead of his time ? his passion was producing young riders.It does not necessarily have to be British riders any nationality if the club produce young riders how that has to be good for the club.Also like Hyde Rd the track is that good that riders will want to stay long term and that creates a position where you can keep a core of a team most years.

In any walk of life where teams are involved its a must that they ALL have the team suit / uniform on. Its part of having pride in the team you are representing. It also makes it easier for members of the public to differentiate between the teams. A long time ago Brian Clough evicted one of his players from the team coach whilst on the way to the airport because he did not have his club uniform on. Its a backward step to do away with team suits.

Totally agree i have heard if you go to Polish clubs you learn a lot certainly on the mechanical side it has to be invaluable really learn something it has to be good.!!!

I'm led to believe they are not - a decision I'm strongly against.

Wish that was my local track that's tremendous action.

Well spotted !!!

Just had conversation with a 2016 Poole rider. Each rider was supplied with ONE set of Club kevlars. As he said “ why would I need 2 sets”

Why not both? A classic race jacket ( eg belle vue with no advertising on) over team Kevlars with sponsors logos on ?

I wonder what happens if the rider is already off a 15m handicap. I like this one: 15.16 HANDICAP HEAT RULES (for offences shown in Art 15.3, or permitted by an SR c) as per Art. 15.15.7 only the Handicap option is available. In an Individual event that permits the use of the 15-metre “Handicap” option for a Starting Offence (Art 15.3, then the ruling allows for multiple use, providing gate (d) is used, then gate (e) for any subsequent offending riders. Yeh, start 'em on the dog track...

Not exactly what you're talking about but the time interval between heats has been reduced from 5 minutes to 4 which includes the 2 minute time allowance.

Was it high tide

I remember the Tim Stone days at Newport where he used to come into the bar after the meeting to give the riders a brown envelope. He always looked even angrier than usual after a big home win... which wasn't often in fairness!

That's the reality of the situation and the fundamental issue the Sport faces.. If you attended the NSS for your first meeting, and Cardiff for your second, you would find watching racing at the NSS is a million miles better than the racing at Cardiff, yet watching the 'greatest race ever' at the NSS with around 1000 others, will not generate anything like the same passion, emotion and atmosphere that a Craig Cook 'mundane' tapes to tapes victory at Cardiff would bring with 40,000 alongside you... As Workington have tried and proved, there simply isn't the take up for the Sport at its 'normal' current admission costs, so sadly you will never deliver those 'big crowds' anymore.. And, as it would seem, these admission costs won't come down anytime in the near future, then the simple truth is that there is no way forward for the Sport in its current guise in this Country.... Which is a shame as it can be a fantastic nights entertainment (When done well, with credibility)...

I certainly think Lemon is a big Max fan also he likes Brady as well both i believe can go far in the sport if it all clicks Fricke can be a in/out no 1 make the step up just like Thorssell.

Line 1 - team suit cost irrelevant to rider selection. Its just a tiny fraction of the total cost of putting together a team. Line 2 - if that is the reason then it is petty and short sighted Line 3 - the two shouldnt be mutually exclusive. Both should be an automatic part of a top flight team

I thought the question was for or against race suits. I went for race suits and gave my reasons why so I don't understand what you find to argue about !

Lee - sign them up!

Naj, i believe they are £500 a piece, but i also believe the riders bought there own Kevlars..

Guests should now be a lot less with the fixture list being sorted and anybody missing should be replaced with R/R. The idea of black bottoms a few years ago was much better and team shirts are used to keep them in keeping if guests are used. How hard can it be??

Then one day they will all be surprised when no tv company wants to pay the clubs to show it.

I bet he's far from the only one. Wonder if any other riders would care to comment.

More FEMALE influence... The Brummies will be using start line girls in 2018. So there's one in the eye to Formula 1 (as if they would even notice lol)

Long rambling post which offers no evidence to back up the claims. Whereas I can point to every available piece of evidence to back mine up. Gates and 'quality of racing' quite simply aren't linked to any great level. Otherwise Belle Vue would be sold out every week. Scunthorpe, Peterborough and other tracks that we hear have fantastic racing week in, week out would be attracting big crowds. They aren't. The reason the sport is in the mess it is quite simply is it is TOO much like the 70's.

From the outside looking in it does appear horribly convoluted, but does enable them to say they are still cheaper than Glasgow..... If you buy a Gold Card, scratch your nose, do 10 squats, buy online, take the dog for a walk, buy a Blue Card and turn up before lunchtime on a Friday. Job done.

FANTASTIC character, real salt oil the earth, under-estimated rider, skipper of a multi-talented Belle Vue side and as important to the team as his more illustrious colleagues Peter Collins and Chris Morton. Fortunate to have a long chat with him at the NSS last year. As forthright as ever. What a tragedy his accident was, not just for Wilkie but also his long-suffering wife whose own life was turned upside down after that fateful evening. Talk about heroes ... Wilkie is one.

But youre cheating you have 4 of them