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You mean I pointed out they were wrong which made them spurious

yeah whatever Hammer... As everyone on here knows its speedway I follow and I dont exactly fit into the category of 'sidecar enthusiast'....I am just not as narrow minded and insular as your opinions appear to be. Never mind facts though eh? Still, I suppose its my language thats confusing you-if you find it so esoteric perhaps we could carry on a discussion in MY natural tongue instead of yours see how you get on? Incidentally it is not exactly 'clever' to critisise peoples typing/language etc on boards such as this-I suggest you try a language one if thats your thing. Oh and as you seem so keen to dig on other topics at people going 'off-topic' may I ask what your last post had to do withthe topic heading? See? We can all do it. Perhaps I should just do what is recommended for trolls and ignore you

Must have been a good argument when it took you a month and a half to come back to it. You totally decided to miss the point-you previously and erroneously claimed the 'Wimbledon' playing in the football league had renamed themselves whereas it was the original Wimbledon who took that route calling themselves AFC Wimbledon. You may not think it had anything to do with your argument but as you were holding it up as an example-erroneously-then by definition your error was relevant. As for your Hackney Hawks example, what about Sunderland? Did their identity completely go when their nickname changed to the Black Cats? Or perhaps Airdrie? Or maybe Albion? if you are going to compare make sure your comparisons are relevant, thats the very relevant point I was making. Quite frankly I think speedways credability is jeopardised by far more important things than changing nicknames-you know little things like the lack of transparancy in the rule book. Never mind, you just go on about changing nicknames. Your constant cheap shots at sidecars doesn't do you any favours incidentally

Need to be e mail guys sorry, private messagiing is disabled on the board

Congratulations to Kevin Doolan on the win Great report as always Bryn and very well done Marty on putting everything together. Hope you are off enjoying some well earned relaxation!

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you guys-enjoy the meeting! Good Luck Matthew and Kevin!

Thanks! Much Appreciated

err....'scuse the ignorance but who is Guiseppe Marzotto frigbo and whats the connection? This could be a long topic.....I think I might be asking a lot of questions like this lol

Not the case Tsunami (and I speak from bitter experience!) A central (limited value) fund was made available for clubs to apply for a small proportion of the cost of upgrading wooden stands. It may have helped a handful of clubs who were already looking at the possibility of replacing the stands and had planning permission to do so or who were able to get any relevant planning permission quickly but the vast majority were not helped by this. It made good PR though. The money just is not there for air fences in speedway as its not merely a case of providing fences but in many cases of rebuilding tracks. AS someone else has already stated, some fences have already shown themselves to be effective-including Newcastles mesh fence in Jespers testamonial as it clearly 'gave' to absorb the impact. Safety is imperative and we should always be looking at it but I dont think there will ever be one thing eg airfences which is the answer

Just out of interest SB do you spend a lot of time sniffing in ladies toilets?

Sorry to be picky and off topic but shouldn't that be advTHANKSance ?

Again I see your point Tsunami. Maybe I should get a job with the BSPA as I didn't think it through properly

if thats the case then i would wish to annonce my engagement to Julie Bradbury I would reply but I don't have time-I'm off to post on everyopther website that Phil has got engaged to Julia Bradbury for anyone who hasn't heard ps if you wanna throw in David Walsh then for the interests of balance I would be willing tomake it a threesome-oopes I think I worded that wrong

As with all good 'rumours' Phil they are now being quoted as fact on other websites!

Hysterical! I propose we immediately start a campaign to haveStuart Hall officially appointed head of the BSPA

Okay I am still going on about this grading thing. It makes a lot of assumptions but....... Assumptions Made:- Peters grades above are taken as accurate The limit is 19 points with the points being 6,5,4,3,2,1 Steve Turners final EL averages of all riders riding in the EL last year are used 10 team EL To build a team within the limit you can only have ONE rider from EITHER of the top two grades. There are 15 riders in the top 2 grades therefore we have 5 fewer riders in the EL with averages above 8.33 In band 3, you can again only have one rider. from last years list there are 12 in this band and therefore we loose another 2 riders Moving on to band 4, we have 16 riders and a loss of another 6 Band 5 takes us down to the 'poorer' EL riders-no disrespect intended. There are 23 riders from last year in this band. Now assuming the band 1 riders are all preferred over band 2 in the first part of this, eight teams can have 2 riders from this catagory with two only being able to choose one. We therefore need a maximum of 18 riders in this catagory therefore we still have to loose 5 riders in this grade. Finally band six. Bear in mind that a lot of riders falling in this catagory last year would only have ridden once or twice and may have been a desperate 'make up the numbers' job. There are 18 riders from last year in this category. We need an absolute minimum of 22 therefore at last we have a shortfall-of 4 All this only takes into account basic 1-7, not even starting to think of 'squad' riders. The definition of dilute in the dictionary is 'reduce in strength' If these assumptions are anywhere near accurate, then EL fans may like to take this into account. This has to be the biggest case of pulling the wool over the punters eyes they have come up with yet. Are we being fooled? What do you reckon.... And before any PL fans try putting a smug look on their face where do you think the shortfall is going to be made up from for the lower average riders? I doubt if the 5 out of work riders with averages low enough to drop down will compensate for loosing some of the PL heat leaders. Okay this is perhaps in simplistic terms. But often you have to look at things that way to get a handle on just what is being attempted.

In effect all that is doing is changing the team make up from three heat leaders, two second string and two reserves to re-classify it as two heat leaders, three second string and two reserves.

they may well be considered outsiders but already I'll be shouting for Matthew and Kevin from afar! Matthew its obvious why but Kevin its because of his never say die attitude. He was unbelieveable last year and I reckon they should be playing Chumbawumba's Tub Thumping as his song at meetings! So come on guys lets have an Edinburgh-Glasgow 1-2 (in that order of course )

I'm saving hard as I'd like to do Prague this year. It wont be as cheap now that they are going into Europe but as Joanne says Jive the stadium is easy to find (if only I had gone there when there was speedway on lol) Forum meet in Prague anyone?

Aren't they actualy called emoticons? (emotion/icons ) Err actually SCB if you look at the panel to the side it says......and I quote.... Clickable Smilies

I'm glad you typed that carefully-wouldnt want everyone to think there was an orgy going on

If that was the case Tsunami then its effectively three GD's and one rider would be able to have two, albeit one from 15m back I wonder if the idiots who brought the rule in know yet or if they will just decide at the first meeting it happens in. You know, going off at a slight tangent, you have to feel for the referees. We all give them stick but is it any wonder they occassionally get the rules wrong when they dont appear to have been thought through or written down in the first place!

I read it as being that way as well. However I too am confused about the rules of the GDTS from 15m. Some promoters are saying that the reason this ludicrous GD rule was introduced was to ensure that all riders had their 4 allocated rides. This surely cant be the case if you have the GDTS off 15m.

Would that not have to be all unattached riders Tsunami? I take on board your point about there being more effort made to replace any rider other than the number one for the period of the injury. Perhaps this is a plus point as it could give an opportunity to a rider not yet able to get a club for the season for one reason or another?

Grrrrr....I'm gonna amend my signature! Nah theirs has to be ***Expect the Idiotic*** (why is this called a smiley and not a growley?)