BWitcher

Do you have one yet? I may be able too make a return to duty after about an eight year sabbatical!

As mentioned earlier, Wednesday is a Champions League night and BT are showing all 8 games live so quite simply no room for the speedway.

Why? Its only 19th September.

Source Mr Flange?

Seems the most logical. Hopefully not needed!

That's exactly what I was thinking. Then with Wolves riding again on Friday plus the GP, becomes problematic.

Do we have any knowledge of potential restaging dates at this stage if the worst happened with the weather?

Yawn, the trolling continues. Resorting to using fake or other peoples facebook accounts to create a reaction, have you nothing better to do with your life? Now, would you kindly not ruin this thread with your pathetic inane childishness, the rest of both Wolves and Aces fans are looking forward to a cracking play-off tie, may the best team win.

Good news about Bjerre. Now we're set for what will hopefully be a cracking couple of matches.

No, because he would still be missing without a valid (per the rules) reason. You could say that's the gamble you take signing riders who are in these events. Wasn't Thorssell meant to be in the SEC, or an SEC qualifier and he withdrew because it clashed with a Wolves fixture and he decided his club comes first? Part of me does agree with what you say though and that in this instance a facility should be allowed BUT the other part of me is thinking that is exactly the problem the sport has, ignoring rules as and when it chooses.

There is a significant difference, there would be a facility for the GP.

Matters not Steve. He is signed in for the meeting and the official restaging date, that he has signed for, is Monday. The decision I think lies with the DMU. They can suspend Bjerre if he doesn't ride in the SEC. Hopefully common sense will prevail but this is speedway!

FIM Europe isn't it? Depends upon the DMU and how they view it. I'd rather him be at Belle Vue, we don't want the match spoiled.

He may not have a choice and cop a ban either way..

What a stroke of fortune this is for Belle Vue. They can track a guest claiming Bjerre is withholding his services and be rid of Play off Kenny for the duration of the playoffs.

Which would mean 'Sir Shoutalot' getting excited much more often about 'entering tactical country'.

You don't know, that is the whole point. We can be pretty certain in that it wouldn't have continued going up by 65% however as the crowd grows it becomes harder and harder to increase it further. It's not relevant though in the context of this discussion as Flange consistently claims that the introduction of the play offs in Sweden had an 'immediate negative impact'. That was clearly not the case. I have not once stated the attendances increased BECAUSE of the playoffs, there were other factors involved... Rickardsson, Boom period for Swedish speedway etc.

He'll just keep posing nonsense for an eternity WK. No need for me to post anymore. The figures are plain for all to see.

Ok, as per your insistence we will remove the 'anomaly' figure of 1796. That now gives us an average attendance of 1108 pre playoffs. We already know the average attendance after they were introduced was 2725. To keep it simple we will assume each person attending pays £10. So pre play offs clubs were bringing in £11,080 per match After play offs introduced clubs were bringing in £27,250 per match. Interesting 'losses'. Given the standard eight team Swedish league, 7 home matches, clubs brought in on average £113,190 more per season after playoffs were brought in... plus the £50,000-£100,000 for two of the teams in the play off final which you say makes a tiny impact...

The points system used in speedway is almost perfect. The only mistake they made was removing the 2pts for a home win of 1-6pts.

No Flange, my lack of ability is not astonishing. Unfortunately you are trying to be clever without the required understanding of the principles. You are trying to base your example on the 'theory' that the crowds in Sweden would have continued to improve at the rate they did from 1998-1999. Even someone with no mathematical pedigree would understand that is a nonsensical theory otherwise crowds would soon reach ridiculous figures that stadiums couldn't hold. In addition, when conducting any mathematical analysis, anomalies are generally discounted. In this case we have five years of crowd figures pre-playoffs with crowds ranging from 1009-1172. Then one year at 1796. The 1796 is clearly not representative of the usual attendance pre-playoffs. The reality is simple. Average crowd in the six years prior to the play-offs: 1223 Average crowd in the eight years after play-offs were introduced: 2725.5 Reality is crowds after the playoffs were more than double those prior. It is absolutely absurd to suggest the playoffs had an immediate negative impact on crowds in Sweden. That is of course without considering the bumper attendances for the finals.

Fred does like to continually trot out this line, which of course is utterly false. Here’s the data for the Elitserien: av attendance 1994 1009 1995 1135 1996 1089 1997 1137 1998 1172 1999 1796 Play-offs introduced av attendance excluding play-offs 2000 2261 2001 2781 2002 2678 2003 2847 2004 2864 2005 3029 2006 2602 2007 2742 Play-off final attendances 2000 12242 & 7464 2001 8639 & 9080 2002 5940 & 8035 2003 5468 & 8426 2004 5709 & 7526 2005 8703 & 7264 2006 7901 & 5899 2007 9398 & 8564

If you were not going to finish top, they would still have been meaningless without the play-offs. However, given how close the top three were this year I don't buy that you weren't going to finish top and this year is an exception in that if there weren't any playoffs the race for the title would have been fantastic. Things would I am sure have played out differently too.

So the price is irrelevant then.

Don't go then, it's really that simple.