mikebv

Admire your optimism but 3k a match? For Speedway? I would suggest no chance. It might initially improve crowds having new owners as the publicity of nearly closing will no doubt tempt some people to attend again, however that will be a short term thing.. Plenty of people in Manchester know about Speedway, many see it on Sky regularly, and loads of Mancunians are aware of the Belle Vue Aces... They just won't pay circa £20 to watch it 'live', Thats the catch.. I have three mates who watch the sport on TV occasionally, often mentioning to me the match they watched as they know of my interest, and can appreciate the talents of the riders, (and even know who Tai Woffinden is as they have seen him on 'mainstream TV!) but when I ask if they fancy going and tell them it's around £30 for them and their teenage lad their answer to a man is "you having a laugh?".. Perfect target market, no chance of them attending. 1200 - 1500 a week of the usual 'die hards' I would say will be the reality and should be the income budgeted for...

It's only Speedway 'multi person'.... Hardly anyone will really care who wins the league or who gets relegated anyway, so you honestly don't wind anyone up or annoy them by decrying their teams... Teams will always ride in the league THEY feel best suited to so being bottom won't necessarily mean you take the drop if other teams feel dropping down would be better for them... You could actually see a twelve to sixteen strong 'top league' next year anyway built around a slightly weaker 'Somerset' strength, so this season for many teams will be about 'survival' rather than 'success'.... Still, have fun flitting from thread to thread....

I think most teams will have a 'ffs' given the level of both leagues..😁

Think you are correct, a fair summary.. They obviously know 'moving up' won't give them 500 more through the gate each week (maybe even no increase at all some weeks?) so have cut their cloth accordingly.. Winning their home meetings will be their primary objective and, in such a watered down League this team should deliver that more often than not.. No point bankrupting the club in trying to win an irrelevant competition. Much better to still be in a strong (or at least manageable) financial position by the end of the season.. I would almost suggest that this Somerset team could be a 'blue print' for all PL teams the season after this one?

Great post tmc.... The ultimate irony for me is how promoters seem to work night and day finding a way to try and out do each other, be it manipulating rules to suit their own end, through to gazumping other promoters re riders by 'turning their heads' to greater riches... All in the name of winning a League Title that barely anyone even in their local area will give a toss about actually winning, as hardly anyone will actually know the sport (never mind the League) exists!! All that energy put into writing rules, re-writing rules, re-re writing rules and eventually "in the interests of Speedway" completely ignoring the rules!! All to p1ss off an ever dwindling disillusioned fan base even further.. Maybe putting as much energy into re-starting from scratch, learning from all the self inflicted mistakes and re-launching the sport when 'fit for purpose' would be a better idea..? That though would mean some real radical planning not just a 'make do and mend' mashed together 'variation on a theme' plan that surfaces year after year and fundamentally changes nothing.. We as fans can face the fact that Speedway in this country has exactly the mainstream profile and fanbase success it deserves the way it is delivered, promoted and administered.. Amazingly I actually still think many promoters feel that they are involved in running a 'proper, professional sport', on a par with other pro sports, and one where 'winning the title' actually still has some kudos.. Truly laughable if it wasn't so tragic..

Team speedway has a relatively short shelf life I would suggest... (In Britain anyway) For a team sport to generate interest you needs it's supporters to have passion for both the sport itself, but in particular 'their team'. But how can you engender 'emotional loyalty' to your local teams riders when they change so often?. Some weeks you may have one rider out of the seven you should have representing you. And six from your competitors!? Quite ridiculous and from a team sport perspective totally at odds with a team event in regards to its integrity and credibility. Transfer the lack of single meeting integrity into the league title itself and truly why attend something all season that has no credibility even if you win it?... Not much of a starting point with which to sell the sport is it? As we will see next season. Most teams in the PL will have 70% or so of 'their riders' performing in the lower leagues too, meaning 'guests galore' and 'select teams' trying desperately to attract crowds on 'off nights' to fit in the logistical nightmare of completing the league season... (Good luck in achieving that). (For once)!! Too many teams, and not enough riders of the required quality leaves team speedway in Britain as a lame duck and add in a customer base demographic of virtually only white males, middle to upper middle aged, (in a country with huge diversity) and you have a base that by 'natural causes' is withering and dying (both metaphorically and sadly physically) as each year goes by... And as these people no longer frequent the terraces the shortfall in money has to be made up by those who still do in inflation busting price increases, thus driving more people away from an economical perspective too... Ultimately team speedway is too far gone for me to save itself. Maybe becoming like stock cars or Moto x is the answer? ie run maybe one 'big' individual a month at each venue with good sponsorship and prize money and align it with a season long British Championship that delivers great sponsorship and great prize money? A basket case of a sport is team speedway in Britain. A hopeless case sadly for me... However the sport when done well is still fantastic to watch so who knows? Get some credibility, get some integrity, get four riders of relatively equal ability in each race, have no guests, ride on nights that generate the biggest crowds for your club, deliver a full evening of on track and off track entertainment that brings in a diverse fan base and meets a 21st Century crowds expectations, and sort out a cost structure that allows an absolute PL max £15 admission, and Speedway in Britain may have a chance as a team sport... More chance of knitting fog than delivering that list I would say, sadly...

To be fair, as a 'Business Plan' I can see the merits of the concession being almost on par with the usual entrance fee.. Let's be honest, OAP's make up a high proportion of the crowd so you need to maximise your income.. As I drift ever nearer 'concession age' (and presuming team speedway is still running in this country when I get there) then ANY reduction would seem a bonus I would suggest rather than an 'entitlement'... Wouldn't surprise me to see other tracks doing the same..

Ones with cup holders to put the Thermos lid/cup in? Good call... Add a nice tartan blanket for your knees and plastic 'gola' bag for your corned beef and beetroot sandwiches (tinned CB obviously not that Fresh stuff) to hang off the back, and you are away.. Put say ten in a row and it could very quickly become Speedways equivalent of the 'Exec Box'... However, Maybe they could run a 'Buy a Cushion' campaign? Similar to the BV 'Buy a Brick' one? £50 and you get your own cushion with your name on it and arse cheeks moulded in for 'extra comfort'... Also similar to BV, £500 would get you a 'Cushion for Life' meaning you would be able to keep your cushion in the same place every season 'forever'.. Oh hang on... Maybe not...

If you didnt know what speedway was, and found a copy of the SS in some random doctors waiting room, you would find it a very professional looking and informative magazine, and would never believe how the image you glean of the sport from the pages within would belie the actuality of how it is ran.... It does the sport more than justice in my opinion and speedway in this country is lucky to have such a well delivered publication showcasing its product..

And don't get me started on Wagon Wheels.... (or have my hands got bigger?)...😁

Great idea... Just what you need to do when running a failing business and you make a conscious corporate decision to lower the quality level of your product.. Put the price up.... That'll work.... (Inflation busting obviously, goes without saying)... Its the only way.....

I am 'bemused' the way 'going to Leicester' is being used as a possible outcome for Cov.. Imagine the BSPA asking DH 'can we use your track to help bail the sport out of the rubbish it is in'?... He would have i would say 'all the Aces'.. (Except the Belle Vue ones of course)... His feelings towards the BSPA would mean he could drive a hard bargain I would suggest... You can hope though that the fact the council leader has got involved so quickly maybe has lead them to see the potential 'sh1tstorm' ahead for themselves if they are seen 'doing business' (as they appear to be) with someone who appears to do his business via 'stormtroopers'... Doesn't reflect well on them giving planning permission to someone who takes such action which ultimately effects the emotional state of rate payers and therefore voters.. Time for Bees fans therefore to get out and put pressure on the council. A few photos in the local rag of young Bees fans having their Xmas 'ruined' and much older lifelong Bees fans looking suitably 'devestated' taken outside the stadium/building site would be a start.... A real opportunity maybe for some 'orchestrated emotional blackmail' if done properly by Cov to maybe secure Speedway for a longer time if they get their act together.. Throw some mud at the councils current working relationship with Sandhu and who knows how much will stick...? 'Wrecking the joint' publicly might just be the worst tactic Sandhu has employed.. Bees fans should pounce on it...

Lets hope that Cov Council get made aware of the wanton damage done to the facility.. Maybe will sway them in their dealings with Sandhu? Time to get organised Bees Fans and bombard your councillors with your disgust at his actions.. And as mentioned, maybe get the Police involved too... Makes for good copy in the local rags...

Obviously Klindt missing meetings through fixture clashes may or may not happen but the very fact it could is one of those reasons why you cannot take the sport seriously... Sign a Dane and you ride on a Wednesday? Sign a Swede and you ride on a Tuesday or Thursday? Then no guests should be allowed when they are missing riding in their home league on those nights.. The sport is Mickey Mouse enough, blighted by guests, with the vast majority used for non injured riders.. Causing them to be used by inevitable fixture clashes that that will occur, and you know this months in advance, is simply ridiculous, and for the integrity of the sport just shouldn't be allowed...

Think all BV's assets are all the BSPA's now....

Spot on.... If Speedway (in Britain) is to continue as a team sport then it has to stop all the guest/select team nonsense... By running 'team speedway' you are asking the fans to make an emotional attachment to 'their team'. Swapping riders around between different teams ad nauseum does nothing to deliver this attachment, therefore wont engender the 'tribal loyalty' that other team sports deliver... Dont deliver emotional loyalty and you, quite simply, will never deliver a successful team sport.. To a fan with an emotional attachment, whether their team is successful or not is often irrelevant as they will be there. If 'your team' isnt really 'your team' I would suggest you would question why you bother attending at all... And with the current situation of too many team places to fill with not enough riders of the required quality, delivering a 'team with integrity' week in and week out will continue to prove virtually impossible.. The irony is if speedway went 'individual only' in this country I would suggest it would become much more successful.. eg. Running once a month at the NSS with a good prize fund, decent level of rider and properly marketed, would deliver six meetings with 3-4,000 in attendance I would suggest. Maybe for the image, publicity, sponsorship levels and overall growth of the sport it would be better to run 6 meetings in front of 24000 fans in a 'full stadium' rather than 18 meetings in front of the same total amount of people scattered around 'half empty' terraces..? Dont think anyone is in doubt that the sport (in this country) is at a critical point in its evolution. If its to be ran as a 'team sport' going forward then many radical changes are required. Be interesting to see if those who run it have the vision and capability to deliver them..

I think they would be better getting all the other Companies who compete in the same market place to allow them to use their cakes and pass them off to the public as if they were their own..😀

Will be missed at the NSS, should the Aces ride again... Committed and a good leader of the team... A smaller circuit will be ideal for him and I presume a DU role somewhere? Ipswich maybe? All Aces fans will, I would think, wish him all the best...

Glaring difference of course is that these will be 'one offs'.. Speedway needs a family of two adults and two 12+ year old kids to pay £48 at least 19 times a year.... Simply doesnt happen in anywhere like the quantity needed sadly....

Several fans paid £1000 for 'lifetime membership' (good luck with that?).... This got you a saving 'for life' of 25% on a season ticket, a brick with your name on it in the Peter Craven suite and a seat in the Grandstand with your name on.... The last two things didnt happen for several people!!!! "Where have all the flowers gone?" Is a very poignant refrain at this time of year... "Where has all the money gone?" Is maybe also pertinent for BV? Certainly worth looking into I would suggest....

Correct... And given the standard of likely opposition you would expect him to score 12 to 13 a night at least off his usual five rides... 12 points is over 25% of the way to victory off one rider so well worth a team place with the total average now being 50...

You would still have to follow the '4 Poles' rule I would think as that is how they configure the teams.. And you would struggle to afford two good Poles and two good Polish reserves, and you would need them I would suggest with the best top three Brits (ex Woffy) making up your team.

Thought something similar however, I think you would still struggle to get a competitive team given the amount of cash paid in Poland as you are in the market for the same riders and would have to offer at least parity to make them want to ride for you. £10 - £15k (at least) per home match for three to four riders (and double that for the away meeting you pay for) would not be a money maker I would suggest. You would have to charge at least £20 and hope for a 5000 - 6000 minimum attendance every fortnight. Maybe given the initial novelty value the first matches may attract that kind of crowd at somewhere like Poole but not sure if those crowd levels would be sustainable ongoing even there... I thought maybe entering if possible the Swedish League as lower costs but often the same riders Poland use...? Maybe that could attract enough of a crowd and sponsorship to be financially viable for a track to take the risk? And maybe become a precursor to a Euro League? A good radical proposal though Knightime..

Has the 'new foreigner' assessed average been agreed? Might need a few to reduce the amount of DU's.. Would imagine somewhere around 7.5 - 8 looking at the quality of riders around those figures? And how will any returning (not going to happen I am sure but just in case...) previous World level riders eg NP, Hancock, Emil etc be assessed? Presume x1.4 from their last average? Or re-assessed like Lindback's was and then x1.4? Time is cracking on to build the teams given the points limits and number of riders needed so presume all this is decided but not released?

Why did the timeline change from 60 years to 24?? Would have had huge implications to the numbers involved...