mikebv

How great was that!!!! "Ruthless Robert"!!! Tremendous race... Well done Charles Wright too....

You are preaching to the converted though... Next week the Aces are at home again, so another meeting for their fans... It is the 2.75 million who live within a 45 minute drive of the NSS and the 80 million who live in the UK who you need to target... Expecting Aces fans to attend in "the usual numbers" when they have paid out such outlay for the GP's already was folly... And zero was done to attract anyone else from elsewhere...

We will only let them out when the white smoke appears....

There's nothing really riding on winning other than a GP place, which doesn't resonate with the punters.. (It cannot mean much can it, given riders actively get the option to withdraw from being part of it).. Maybe every promoter putting £5k in to generate some "decent money" to use in the advertising would help?.. (If there is any advertising obviously)... A 3,000 crowd would generate £80k plus and deliver an event that might stimulate some further "outside" interest.. Moving from the NSS this year at least would have delivered more fans I would suggest, but the racing, wherever else it was held, wouldn't be anywhere near as good... The biggest night in domestic Speedway and hardly any advertising at all has been done.. That is the key problem the sport has...

If they don't know about it, they never will attend... As a "shared event" I presume all the promoters and Phil Morris got together and led the marketing and promotional plan for their "No 1 Flagship Event of 2025"?... If so. The minutes of that meeting mustn't have took much typing up...

After a red hot day too... The track prep team are the best in the business.. Let's hope they get the same control for the GP's and get no "outside interference"...

In front of 15000 people ... With 500 of them away fans.... With every top rider in the world competing... Yep... Miles better than that.....

Behave.... 112.....

Probably 3000 or so BV fans or will have paid around £200 for the GP's.. And also get to see the best line up of the season domestically at the PCMM, for less.... Daft idea to hold it at the NSS this year given the GP is around the corner.. Should have held it at a Championship track as the likes of Bewley and Lambert would be a pull for a tier 2 club's fans..

I for one am shocked given all the promotion and marketing that has gone on, both locally and nationally, for this, the "pinnacle" of British Speedway domestic events.. Flyers on windscreens anyone ?? "A healthy crowd in" just been quoted.. Easily three figures I would say....😉

The PCMM does get a following from elsewhere (where will they all be later I wcommitments ut the largest contingent by far are Aces fans, many of them, like me and my lad, who attend every year but will only go to watch the domestic qualifying stuff once or twice in the season.. Six of us went to the PCMM this year and havent yet attended an Aces meeting, but most of us will when Ipswich visit, (as long as they have Doyle and Emil there)... This evenings line up is poor, and shows how shallow the pool of riders is after Lambert and Bewley, with maybe only Brennan, (possibly) having the capability to be a decent No1 or No5 in the Premiership in the future.. Several events to deliver the Champion sounds good, but you would still only be able to run the events on Mon or Thu due to Poland, Sweden and Denmark covering all other days. Meaning they would need to be ran at Premiership tracks, and, with no disrespect, running any meeting with a majority of Championship HL's and SS's at venues used to seeing some of the world's best, would be a hard sell.. Running several meetings at tracks like Glasgow, Redcar, Scunthorpe etc would deliver great racing, but getting the likes of Bewley, Lambert, Brenann (and Woffy if fit), there would be difficult given their Polish commitments...

It is expecting far too much to expect the Aces fans to turn up in numbers when they will have done the most to fill the GP nights by their ticket purchases... They also turn up to make their largest domestic crowd of the season at the PCMM, an event that has the best collection of riders in the UK outside any FIM event... Quite a few of the riders on view in the years BF wouldn't even make the "Championship Riders Championship"... Time for a move away I think given the NSS has so many "big meetings"... Maybe ask Richard Lawson where he would like it held..?😁....

"It is the wrong type of sun".... 😁

I once attended a "dust off" at the old Kirky Lane track against (I think), Kings Lynn... Literally couldn't see the back straight from the home straight for dust and riders couldn't see when behind....

Great... I can drive my car in....😀

Necessary evil... There is no alternative... Guest have been around for years... Etc, Etc, Etc ... There is a very fundamental reason why no mainstream coverage, large companies, and plenty of fans themselves, don't take Speedway (in the UK), too seriously... Your example of what happens regularly (virtually every week), is the clear reason.. Colluding with the promoters it actually means something is a prerequisite for fans who do want to take it seriously and pretend...

Taxi. Or Train from BV station. (Ten min walk, turn right when leaving the Grandstand). Bus from Hyde Rd (10 mins walk, turn right when leaving the Grandstand), or Bus on the A6 (10 mins walk, turn left when leaving the Grandstand), to Manchester Piccadilly.. Tram to Salford Quays from Picc.....

That would appear the most sensible approach for the "Northern Teams" wouldn't it? And vice versa for those in the south who want to stream... It is a two way thing in that streaming may stop some from attending, but, on those nights when the weather is dodgy, and you decide to not risk it, you can then get the stream if the meeting actually runs... So the club gets some money that they wouldn't have .. For me and my lad we save £45 by streaming, plus the saving on burgers, drinks etc... Maybe the stream pricing is too low?

Dent Oliver... He not only led the Aces to almost non stop success, but also nurtured the careers of dozens of non Aces riders through his "training school", who all ended up making a living in many other teams up and down the country..

To be fair, The pressure on the Poole promoters is much different than the rest of the league.. Maybe even the league above also? History shows that they get some of the best crowds in the country, regardless of league they are in, (when winning), but with that volume of support comes the threat of many "going missing" when times get a bit tougher... Hence, they got ahead of the game and dropped down when financially it was starting to impact them to be "also rans" in Div 1.. (A great business plan considering they used pretty much Div 1 riders at a Div 2 level at the time).. No matter what level they race at, Poole are very much one of the leading lights of UK Speedway, and more "Matt Fords" over the past couple of decades that existed would have meant a much higher level to the sport .

The Bank Holiday crowds are often "bumper" around the country, however, getting these infrequent visitors to attend even semi regularly for the rest of the season always seems an impossibility... Maybe that could be due to the lack of promotion done on those days when you know you will get your largest crowds? Seems ridiculous that such a "captured market" isn't targeted with offers to repeat more often their "one or two visits a year"... These people actually know about Speedway so surely far easier to get them to attend more often, using targeted marketing, than attracting "newbies"..? As for Ipswich's "dream team", sadly it could be the wrong time, wrong place for it... In 1998, when they had an incredible team, all other tracks also had world class riders in their teams, which meant great racing and reasonably close meetings... Nowadays it isn't like that and those teams without genuine top talent will be found wanting, and won't be attracting too many of those extra Bank Holiday attendees when these teams turn up to ride away from home.. And, as has been seen in the past at some teams, being "too successful" can hurt your own crowds (and has even closed some tracks down), as fans know a play off place is a shoe in many weeks out.. One of the few meetings I will attend this year will be, at least one, of the Ipswich matches at the NSS, as they are clearly the best team in the league.. It's just a shame that the gap from them to the bottom team is so vast, and the way the sport is ran, that bottom team can do nothing more than paper over the cracks, rather than being able to fundamentally try and "start again"... Maybe after 6 matches ridden each, the top teams average should be used for everyone else to rebuild to it should they wish? They use a max average to work to at the start of the season, therefore, use a "rolling" one through the season.. After say 6 and then 12 matches completed each you could reset your team to the team with the highest average.. After 12, that's it, you run your last 12 matches with who you have.. For decades, the team(s) cut adrift at the bottom of the league after just a few matches, simply cannot make the required changes due having to replace pretty much like for like.. When, in reality, they really need to bring in much better riders than the ones they started the season with and who have put them so far adrift.. These clubs then see their own crowds dwindle and don't attract crowds away from home, neither being good for the sport as a whole.. Obviously to do this, the seven man teams will need to go to ensure replacements are available, (unless extra "decent talent" wants to ride over here), however, that seven man set up has been in place for decades, during which the sport has hemorrhaged fans, so maybe time for a change?

It seems to keep them going... And provides "subs on the bench" when injuries/clashes abroad occur... Survival for many teams globally is the objective rather than gaining any "tangible success"... With, for most leagues, that "tangible success", not resulting in any major financial returns, nor any major national publicity, (or even local publicity sometimes), to speak of...

There are always 2 point reserves to step in to replace him... And any other riders... And this, they know... No jeapordy, nor consequence for riders, given the paucity of replacements of a similar level.. Promoters know this, yet teams still set themselves up with seven riders each season......(?)

Promoters want home wins as that keeps their crowds... Entertainment is very much a secondary (if that high), factor...

Should have made it top 2 non GP riders.. One night each.. Keep more riders interested as they go into the semi final...