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It will also be interesting to see which of the top riders make themselves available to the NL this year as a lot will want to focus on PL and guest bookings in the EL I imagine and those who for whatever reason have not made the grade may retire.

And there lies the secret the teams draw from 2 different fan bases and not relying on the same fans to turn out. People who support EL probably wouldn't turn out in large numbers even if it is to support the future they would probably wait till the future reaches their level. There are some die hard NL fans out there but the Dudley thing is different. I'm sure the Dudley fans given the choice would go PL or EL but that is probably inconcievable until a track is found and as the original press release said they will become Cradely when that happens. I hope somebody is working full time on getting this track as the fans deserve it but i'm sure as and when they do get their own track they will be waving bye bye to the NL. The ideal thing would be for the NL to go Amatuer but that wouldnt help the lads already struggling and certainly wouldnt attract riders from other disciplins which has kept the NL going recently.

I am sorry to hear that...Hope he makes a speedy recovery all the best to all concerned

I just cant understand what the problem is with making this a learning curve for both promotions(although Newport have said they wont run a NL side next year which is sad). All team managers should have been down there looking for 'potential' in a full NL meeting. Managers are often looking at potential of single riders on track which is completly different to team events. There is much more to a league meeting than ability. As your team showed at Mildenhall(losing 30 odd points) psychology playes a big part aswell and it would have been good to see how these youngsters cope with this as that is one aspect of league racing development that is often forgotten. I am sorry that you were dissapointed with the team rolled out on Sunday but it wouldn't harm to take the positives. Hopefully some of these lads will line up for Scunny if all the campaigning works and RG decides to run again next season(I do hope so NL wont be NL without the title holders). One question a lot has been made of Scunny Saints being made up of NO.1's So obviously they are not going to be able to saty together next year who is going to ride for you next season? if you dont find some new talent. Well done to all lads old and new who took to the track on Sun and hopefully Matt, Brendan, Stefan, Adam and Rich gave them all food for thought.

Sorry cant agree with you there. I wont be going but I wouldnt like to discourage anybody who lives closer and would make the trip.Hopefully a couple of 3 pointers may come from this meeting Your comments are all that is wrong with the league, I'm affraid. Everybody has to start somewhere fortunatly Worrall's and Birks learned their trade on MX tracks so you weren't put through the pain of watching them learn. Well done to both promotions they could have cancelled it but prefer to use the meeting wisely, due weather. Best of luck to Conor Dwyer come on lad give it all you got

Lets hope the Colts can get over their dissapointment of the PO's with and go out on a home win. It's been an privalege to be part of the Colts set up this season the lads the management and supporters and hope they go on to bigger and better things in the future .

I do try and stay out of these things but find it so difficult. There is no question that the likes of Birks Worrall's and to an extent Nielson (who has been in the Danish League for 2 seaseons, I believe) have done well but please lets not forget that these lads have been extremly accomplished moto X riders with some considerable race experience to their credit who did a quick conversrion course to Speedway. They have also, I imagine thanks to Rob G, found themselves leap frogging many others into the PL fairplay to RG for promoting the lads well and therefore have had the benefit of the PL and all it has to offer.

I don't think it is getting your point that is the problem. I think it is casting certain aspersions.......Youngsters are more intereted in the latest Mobile Phone....Riders would rather have new covers than chains...... The question of commitment...... etc etc etc. I think if you had just put your point people may have tended to agree with you more although some do. I'm sorry Dean I don't believe you work a 60 hr week AND THEN start on your bikes (on your own) aswell as getting to the isle of wight. and last year Plymouth and Weymouth. An argument needs to be credible But I stand corrected if I am wrong

If voicing a different opnion is having a go then guilty as charged.......If it just looking at another side of the story then not guilty........ One thing I will say even if it is cheaper as Dean says to DIY. Would the top riders, who are as rogurteader says PL reserves who do do it for a living. ride for less money I think not. I'll leave you to decide!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would say if you want to watch X (naming no names) in the NL you are going to have to pay. it's a s simple as that. There needs to be more teams in the NL to give the lads more meetings 18 meetings a season unless you are in the PL is not enough to keep your riding up (nothing to do with finance but ability) going for a month here and a month there with no meetings is not good cos as in any walk of life you lose your momentum. Some riders have been known to have brilliant meetings and then had wait weeks to take it anywhere.......Challenges are good experience and I would like to see these to bring new riders through but they are not league meetings weather your team wins or loses affects your position in the table I say bring back NL Trophey etc..... I hope more teams track a team in 2012 but then you get into the territory of top riders being missing for a lot of the meetings because of PL commitments....... and would double up tracks have enough blank fixtures and would enough people attend 15 home meetings when they aren't attending 9.

No offence intended I didn't reply because unless Dean can do some of his bike work at work,(which some riders can because of the nature of their work), gets free help or he is an insomniac. Either way circumstances don't fit all riders and it is unfair to imply they should

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One thing you don't mention there is 'time'. Speedway rider working full time (and extra)mechanic working full time (and extra) to be able to afford the basics to build a bike from bits off e-bay. That would be all well and good for riders who don't work work part time or work only in the close season. To be fair most NL riders are using new silencers now anyway they have to have them in PL and if they want to guest they have to be, as I said ready to go. The ones that aren't are Amateur riders, NL guests and maybe junior championship

It's alright saying just NL but if any of them get a guest booking in the PL as that is their main aim......They have to be ready to step up to the plate at a moments notice are PL suporters going to take into acccount that the rider is on NL gear

For once we are in agreement although didnt see the JG incident so cant comment

They put up a good show and fought for every point. They have all ridden well all season Rob but not necessarily all at the same time covering for each other as a team though to get them to the SF and 4 points from the final, they were expected to get hammered last night. As Byron said last night they have had some rotten luck along the way and considering no one gave them a hope at the beggining of the season and one thing BV management can be proud of is thta they did it with the same 1-7 as they started with with Charlie wright covering for Kyle for a couple of weeks. They have done well. Well done Scunthorpe should make for an interesting final with Mildenhall. Anybody who says the NL is a second rate product fulll of wobblers should have been there last night cracking meeting.

Not saying the SS should sensor him but I don't think it is a true reflection of what actually happened from a team manager. Riders not wanting to ride relying on the play off cutt off date to get them through 'soft' 'chicken' same thing in my mind. I just found it a little coincidental that the 2 pieces sounded the same. I was there. I drove through what eventually hit Sheffield to get there. I saw the track staff fighting a losing battle with buckets to get the track sorted and eventually admitting defeat when the monsoon hit. I think one team were living in hope the other were possibly more realistic is possibly a better reflection of the night. I don't think we heard the Refs opinion on the track that would be interesting. This should have been put to bed now but obviously with the star issued a week later it just regignites things again. Anyway here's to the best team winning tomorrow. Forecast is good so should be a good night.

Interesting how you have used the exact words Parnaby used in the SS this week effectively calliing the Colts 'soft', and none of the Sheffield supporters, that were there, have agreed with you. Well I do hope the Colts read it. On here is fine but the SS is supposed to be a refelction of the sport. What a complete joke.

I'm sure it is all undercontrol but if not there is always Compton for the Diamonds or the Saints

I also think you are being unfair to Kerr and other riders mentioned have you seen them ride????. How do you know they would devalue the product............ I do think the saints are worrying unduely and forgetting that BV are with out Becker and McKinna. I'm sure if the Saints were to win it would be a more worthy win if it were like for like team. As proved at Mildenhall when their win was a little diluted due to Stoke losing half the team in the first 4 hts

Not to forget that a lot of them work full time to pay and have to do a full days work and preapre bikes and ride. Forgive me HT if I am missing the pojnt I keep hearing these phrases Dangerous riding....Dangerous riders......Dangerous tracks. Is it not the fact that it is a Dangerous Sport and people are going to get hurt and this is particular to key ties where there is no such thing as 2nd place only winners and losers.

My point exactly Steve has stated in the SS himself he was dissapointed with some of his performances and couldn.t understand why. A candidate, in my opinion, of some team's revolving door practice. So well done to Scunny for sticking with him and hopefully next year wil be a better year for him. It's no good giving the lads 2 or 3 odd PL meetings to see 'how they go'. They need full seasons. You can be 'in it too win it' and develop riders if you have the right set up as proved by Buxton last year with Branford Garrity and Morris. I think hoping to replicate it year in year out would be a little over optimistic and I would say a league dominated by 2 or 3 teams would be a pretty boring league anyway. Most teams have all had turns at the top 4 over the last 4 seasons although Kings Lynn's spell was as Boston but I'm sure their time will come.

Riders are given an opportunity in the PL but if they don't fire over night then they are dropped. Newcastle, Sheffield, Scunthorpe to name a few have stuck with their decisions to keep Worrall Worrall Newman and Birks. Well done to them. These will be even better next year and that in my opinion is development. Others like A Morris, to nmae one, have been subject to the revolving door practice and others like Knight, Kerr, Perry have never been given a chance, I am assuming, as I imagine they would have snapped up the chance if it was given to them. these are just examples there are many more. Unfortunatley there is a huge pressure on the reserves to win meetings for the teams EG Morris glasgow. That is no good for developing youngsters, too much pressure too soon. I feel this is why youngsters are struggling they cant just focus on the riding the trackcraft and racing skills. Pressure needs to be taken off the reserves and put back onto the H/L and with in reason the S/S who have developed all those skills. The main focus of the PL and to a certain extent NL is to find that outstanding reserve and not develop one.

Having read the press release from the Lakeside. There seems to be moves by British Promotions to get things moving. The newly formed Colts together with the existing set ups not going to name all. Hopefully there is a light at the end of the tunnel. This, I imagine, wont happen over night but lets watch this space and see if all the hard work pays off and lets get behind all these ventures http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.13503.6

Yu need to rocognise a wind up when you see one....................I'm getting bored now so for that reason 'I'm out' As I seem to be the only one playing 'on your own'

I think BV agreeing to R/R when Wrathall got injured on a practice lap and agrreing to ride without 3 Ht leaders in NL fixtures speaks for its self dont you